US Army launches new Iraq offensive.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by U-533

So your stating that there is no right or wrong ...just what is best at the time?

So that means that Muslims that execute people are not really executing them?
Your really saying that Muslims are helping people along the way to paradise?

And just who's side are you on anyway?

Are you aware of the idea behind the false dilemma? Its where you oversimplify things and use a false sense of one or the other to force someone to make an erroneous choice, in place of actual argument. You effectively make any criticism of your established mode of thought into a form of treason.

Im not invalidating your point of view, I'm invalidating your method of argument. But something about your reaction tells me that this post will be as grotesquely misconstrued as the last.

[Dowly]

Now now, let's play nice shall we? Everyone has their opinion and we should respect that.

[CCIP]

I think a poem by a favorite Russian singer of mine sums up the whole thing nicely...

Yuri Shevchuk - Plohie (The Bad Guys)

The Bad Guys! The Bad Guys! The Bad Guys!
The Bad Guys, without water or light
Under fire they curse and pray just for one thing
That those bad guys are not killed in vain

The Bad Guys amuse
The Good Guys! The Good Guys! The Good Guys!
That write about the Bad Guys nothing
But sh*t....

Ah, to gather this tragedy
In one heavy armored burden
And repent, all of us
Both the Bad and the Good Guys.

:hmm:

[Sea Demon]

*sigh* If only Saddam Hussein lived up to his part of the cease fire agreement......

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

How about,"Continuing Occupation of a Foreign Country for Oil" ?

That doesn't quite apply - All oil contracts were given to China and India. The US of A gets no oil from this deal. The decision was reached to honor the old contracts that were in place prior to the reactivation of the Gulf war.

[U-533]

Well... no matter.

How ever you wish to twist to accommodate your choice of how you prefer to recognise your view of reality is no skin off my nose.

Red is Red and Green is Green

Black is Black and White is White

You are You and Me be Me

Reason will Reason

Treason is Treason

In the end but one Judge will say.


Oh... and sorry for misspellin' "Ostrich"



Here ya go...


The View may be better on the otherside


Your next " POWER UP " will be " Ostrich Vampire "

[Takeda Shingen]

Everyone play nice.

Thanks,
The Management

[Skybird]

Before the war, Iraqi daily oil production was around 2 million barrels per day.

Now the Chinese are allowed to get a deal on producing 70.000 barrels maximum per day. Vietnam gets another 60.000 maximum, India i think 40.ooo at daily maximum, but I could be wrong on that last number.

So China is allowed to produce 3.5% of the former daily production, Vietnam is allowed to produce 3% of the former daily production, and India is allowed to produce 2% of the former daily production.

Priority was and is to bring Iraq's oil production back to pre-war values. If that is reached, the current contracts make sure that china and India will remain dwarfs in Iraq's oil business. So I wonder who the US is planning to get into place to take care of the lion's share of the remaining 91.5% of the former daily production - oil that obviously is available for production? It is neither China, nor India, nor Vietnam. Could it be - could it be American companies...? Hardly. "All" oil contracts went to China and India, we just learned. The US "get's no oil from this deal", we get taught. It was about "honouring oil contracts that were in place before the war". Agreed - and removing Saddam from power was considered to be an act of politeness, sure...

How could anyone think that the war last but not least was about cleaning the opposition in oil production off the field and taking over their shares of the cake, while deceiving people about this by launching PR stunts like this story about China's "leading" role in future oil production in Iraq?

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

That doesn't quite apply - All oil contracts were given to China and India. The US of A gets no oil from this deal. The decision was reached to honor the old contracts that were in place prior to the reactivation of the Gulf war.

Its still a powerplay. Control of the oil fields is just as significant. Its like with the northwest passage in Canada. The US wants to be the caretaker of it so as to ensure its "safe for world trade". Thats why american submarines continue to violate Canadian waters. One made a submerged run of the passage a few years ago and more recently one just sat inside Canadian waters basically to indicate that the US doesn't care about Canadian sovereignty and to demonstrate that we can't stop them.

Theres also the fact that the US is trying to force Iraq to denationalize its oil fields thus opening up the market.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Before the war, Iraqi daily oil production was around 2 million barrels per day.

Now the Chinese are allowed to get a deal on producing 70.000 barrels maximum per day. Vietnam gets another 60.000 maximum, India i think 40.ooo at daily maximum, but I could be wrong on that last number.

So China is allowed to produce 3.5% of the former daily production, Vietnam is allowed to produce 3% of the former daily production, and India is allowed to produce 2% of the former daily production.

Priority was and is to bring Iraq's oil production back to pre-war values. If that is reached, the current contracts make sure that china and India will remain dwarfs in Iraq's oil business. So I wonder who the US is planning to get into place to take care of the lion's share of the remaining 91.5% of the former daily production - oil that obviously is available for production? It is neither China, nor India, nor Vietnam. Could it be - could it be American companies...? Hardly. "All" oil contracts went to China and India, we just learned. The US "get's no oil from this deal", we get taught. It was about "honouring oil contracts that were in place before the war". Agreed - and removing Saddam from power was considered to be an act of politeness, sure...

How could anyone think that the war last but not least was about cleaning the opposition in oil production off the field and taking over their shares of the cake, while deceiving people about this by launching PR stunts like this story about China's "leading" role in future oil production in Iraq?

Be nice Skybird.

Besides - everything you are mentioning is pure speculation. I'm sure the rest of the world would not miss the facts if how you present them are true, and so far we have no evidence to support your claim. As it stands right now - the US gets nothing unless the Iraqi government chnages that.

-S

[U-533]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Before the war, Iraqi daily oil production was around 2 million barrels per day.

Now the Chinese are allowed to get a deal on producing 70.000 barrels maximum per day. Vietnam gets another 60.000 maximum, India i think 40.ooo at daily maximum, but I could be wrong on that last number.

So China is allowed to produce 3.5% of the former daily production, Vietnam is allowed to produce 3% of the former daily production, and India is allowed to produce 2% of the former daily production.

Priority was and is to bring Iraq's oil production back to pre-war values. If that is reached, the current contracts make sure that china and India will remain dwarfs in Iraq's oil business. So I wonder who the US is planning to get into place to take care of the lion's share of the remaining 91.5% of the former daily production - oil that obviously is available for production? It is neither China, nor India, nor Vietnam. Could it be - could it be American companies...? Hardly. "All" oil contracts went to China and India, we just learned. The US "get's no oil from this deal", we get taught. It was about "honouring oil contracts that were in place before the war". Agreed - and removing Saddam from power was considered to be an act of politeness, sure...

How could anyone think that the war last but not least was about cleaning the opposition in oil production off the field and taking over their shares of the cake, while deceiving people about this by launching PR stunts like this story about China's "leading" role in future oil production in Iraq?

Well now .. we cant have China and India and (Is that North or South ) Vietnam... nor anyone else jumpin' on the Global Warming band wagon now can we?

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OMG!

Did I just say that?



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