Russia blames US in missile row

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The reason Azerbaidjan is better "Positioning" is because there already a ABM Radar there.

...wait why is there already a ABM Radar in Azerbaidjan? Oh thats right its part of Russia's ABM system from the 80's! The one we let Russia built to defend Moscow on the grounds that we could build one to defend NORAD. Which we never did...

IMHO we should slap a big Phased Array Radar on an old CVN (I think Enterprise will be retired soon.) Send one out in the Indian Ocean, another to the SOJ, and another to the Med and put all our ABM missiles on old SSBNs. The Ocean if free to all so no basing deals with other countries. Isn't that such a Republican thing to do? Don't make deals with other Countries do what you want! So why isn't this being done? Oh right Bush Jr. was an Air Force Puke... (No offense to all the fine upstanding former AFPs here on Subsim.)

Former SSBN's? Pretty poor launch platform, esepcially considering SM-3 is already there and paid for. Converted carriers into big radar ships? Right...

Oh, and I would hardly give GWB the honor of being called an Air Force Puke, but that's for a different thread.

PD

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Former SSBN's? Pretty poor launch platform, esepcially considering SM-3 is already there and paid for.

How? the SSGNs have been modified to launch Tomhawks so launching SM-3s is within the realm of reality and budget constraits. If we end up dealing the a country like Russia or China that has lots of territory and can move its ICBM force around its possable that that country could move their ICBM force to areas where 1st and 2nd stage interception is less likely. Convert SSBNs and they gain the same advantage as the ones carring SLBMs- potental enemyies don't know where they are. Plus it greatly decreses the odds of having SM-3 DDGs taken out by submarines or airstrikes in the early stages of a conflict, those Ohios are damn hard to find after all. Also it adds the possablity of arming NATO and allied SSBNs with ABM systems, remember that France and the UK have a SSBN force with the RNs boats having almost the same system as US SSBNs (both have Trident) making converson easyer. Very few NATO countries have ships with VLS systems (Spain is one that comes to mind) unless the SM-3 has been modified to fire from One Armed Bandits (MK 13s).

Converted carriers into big radar ships? Right...

Why not they took the Iwo Jima class hull design and turned it in to a pair of anphib command ships (Blue Ridge Class). Besides that big radar platform that was designed to operated off Alaska is a pile of junk that can't stand up to the operating envorment. A CV Hull gives both the space and the speed to operate where needed.

Oh, and I would hardly give GWB the honor of being called an Air Force Puke, but that's for a different thread.

PD

Agreed, but a more apt discription would just end up coming out like %$#& ##%$ @#%$!!!

[The Avon Lady]

Lengthy but very interesting article, discussing Estonian/Russian history and concluding with relevance to the missile placement row:

Erratics in Estonia.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Lengthy but very interesting article, discussing Estonian/Russian history and concluding with relevance to the missile placement row:

Erratics in Estonia.

He has seen the light.

[Happy Times]

Its funny how most people that use common sense and get these things, come from North America. Most Europeans are either stupid or scared and kiss the ruskies ass as much as they can. Im happy we have a new goverment that wants good relations with USA. The weakness of NATO and EU is clear, some members cant be trusted if Russia is on the otherside of the table.

[XabbaRus]

So I guess I must be stupid then, having a Russian wife.
Your anti russianism is well documented. Well move to America.

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

So I guess I must be stupid then, having a Russian wife.
Your anti russianism is well documented. Well move to America.

1. You're not alone.
2. I wish...

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

So I guess I must be stupid then, having a Russian wife.
Your anti russianism is well documented. Well move to America.

You have just bought the eternal victim card bluff. When the true victims continue to be harassed and threatened. Your wifes ethnicity is irrelevant. We have already political refugees from Russia in Finland and i welcome everyone of them. They are those people that dont need somebody else doing the thinking for them, or some Khan to worship in serfdom. They are an asset to any country, we had them in 1917 also, funny how history repeats itself sometimes.

[dean_acheson]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

So I guess I must be stupid then, having a Russian wife.
Your anti russianism is well documented. Well move to America.

Sooo.... if you agree with the US you need to move there? In this country, if we exhibit the same attitude towards those who jump up and down clammering for a single payer health system, etc. etc., charges of being a neanderthal a bandied about.... but I'm sure that our more sophisticated cousins across the pond couldn't be guilty of such antics....

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Its funny how most people that use common sense and get these things, come from North America. Most Europeans are either stupid or scared and kiss the ruskies ass as much as they can. Im happy we have a new goverment that wants good relations with USA. The weakness of NATO and EU is clear, some members cant be trusted if Russia is on the otherside of the table.

Is that right...