under water view?

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Also keep in mind that subs did not use periscopes to look around underwater.

Why?

[MONOLITH]

I'd like to know too.

I tend to crack open the OBS peri just a tad when being persued by a DD just to check where he is.

Works great.

[nomad_delta]

MONOLITH: I'd never thought to try that, 'cause I figured the underwater visibility range was way too short to be useful. Do you have any kind of 'increased underwater visibility' mods installed?

Also I hear there are 'sub nets' in some harbors, which I suppose using the scope underwater would be the only way to detect or avoid.

Curious, what did real life submarines do about sub nets if they didn't use the scopes underwater? Just pick a random course and hope for the best?

nomad_delta

[IRONxMortlock]

Originally Posted by nomad_delta

MONOLITH: I'd never thought to try that, 'cause I figured the underwater visibility range was way too short to be useful. Do you have any kind of 'increased underwater visibility' mods installed?

Also I hear there are 'sub nets' in some harbors, which I suppose using the scope underwater would be the only way to detect or avoid.

Curious, what did real life submarines do about sub nets if they didn't use the scopes underwater? Just pick a random course and hope for the best?

nomad_delta

I thought all but the very brave (or perhaps the very stupid) avoided enemy harbours like the plague?

In regards to using the scope in a harbour to spot things underwater I'd say this would be almost impossible. I've been diving on many wrecks in harbours and most have very poor water visibility.

[GTHammer]

Originally Posted by nomad_delta

MONOLITH: I'd never thought to try that, 'cause I figured the underwater visibility range was way too short to be useful. Do you have any kind of 'increased underwater visibility' mods installed?

Also I hear there are 'sub nets' in some harbors, which I suppose using the scope underwater would be the only way to detect or avoid.

Curious, what did real life submarines do about sub nets if they didn't use the scopes underwater? Just pick a random course and hope for the best?

nomad_delta

I've used the periscopes to look around while underwater but I have an increased visibility mod that was part of the "die slowly" package that lets me see farther in the dark/underwater....Looking around would probably be pretty hard without the mod/In real life.

[MONOLITH]

Originally Posted by nomad_delta

MONOLITH: I'd never thought to try that, 'cause I figured the underwater visibility range was way too short to be useful. Do you have any kind of 'increased underwater visibility' mods installed?

I am using the 60M underwater visibility mod.....

However, I noticed that it only seems to affect the 'free cam' view, and not the 'follow sub/next ship' views. So far all I know, what I see through the scopes while underwater is stock view.


While perhaps not totally realistic, I am after all playing a game and I don't mind a little 'extra feature' here and there. I personally find it very cool to be 100 feet down, and look up through the obs scope to see which way that pesky DD is turning.

And since water visibility varied greatly by ocean, temperature, time of day, etc, who's to say it was never done in real life? Certainly seems plausible. At the very least, against the noonday sun, you could see the shadow of the escort passing overhead.


And sub nets and mines? In shalllow water lit by the sun? You bet you should crack open that scope and have a peek. You guys will save yourselves a ton of frustration, and it's sort of cool looking around underwater anyway.

That's how I got the sig pic of that pesky fish.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by MONOLITH

I'd like to know too.

I tend to crack open the OBS peri just a tad when being persued by a DD just to check where he is.

Works great.

Thats cool to do in game but... in real life you probably cant see past the end of your own boat if that far.

Plus you run a risk of water intrusion into the scope. Not a good thing.

[CaptBC]

I don't think that you want all that water running down around the scope when it is not sealed down tight!

CaptBC

[ryanwigginton]

I also use the obs periscope to dodge DC runs with NO mods. I thought the name obs meant exactly that, it's for observing. I noticed it doesn't extend as far as the attack scope, which to me confirmed it was for submerged use. Otherwise... why? It has no extra zoom... if you don't use it underwater then, it's only good as a spare.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by ryanwigginton

I also use the obs periscope to dodge DC runs with NO mods. I thought the name obs meant exactly that, it's for observing. I noticed it doesn't extend as far as the attack scope, which to me confirmed it was for submerged use. Otherwise... why? It has no extra zoom... if you don't use it underwater then, it's only good as a spare.

Well its not really modeled correctly.

It should extend higher than the attack scope, it should have a wider field of view, it should have a larger aperature.

It was not an underwater window.

[MONOLITH]

Originally Posted by CaptBC

I don't think that you want all that water running down around the scope when it is not sealed down tight!

CaptBC

I've been playing for a couple months now, there's not a drop of water on my monitor anywhere.



Also, even at periscope depth of 60ish feet, the scope is 'opened' while under water before it breaks the surface. I doubt the engineering was so bad that 60 feet = no leaks but 40 more feet of pressure caused it to fail.

[kikn79]

There was a US sub (Rasher if I recall correctly) that was getting hounded by some sub chasers. They seemed to have a supernatural ability to know where they were at no matter which way they twisted or turned. After 24 hours of being held down, the captain decided to bring up the scope a bit and see what was going on. He discovered that there was an air leak in one of the pipes and they were simply watching the trail of bubbles to lead them to the sub.

I believe they closed that pipe off and was able to escape to port to have it fixed. However, the moral of the story is that yes, they used the scopes underwater at times. I don't know how well you could see the escorts around you but it was useful in this situation.

Chuck

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by kikn79

There was a US sub (Rasher if I recall correctly) that was getting hounded by some sub chasers. They seemed to have a supernatural ability to know where they were at no matter which way they twisted or turned. After 24 hours of being held down, the captain decided to bring up the scope a bit and see what was going on. He discovered that there was an air leak in one of the pipes and they were simply watching the trail of bubbles to lead them to the sub.

I believe they closed that pipe off and was able to escape to port to have it fixed. However, the moral of the story is that yes, they used the scopes underwater at times. I don't know how well you could see the escorts around you but it was useful in this situation.

Chuck

A specific source reference would be nice. I've read many submarine books and don't recall seeing any stories of submariners using the periscope to avoid depth charges or anything of the kind. This doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that I didn't read stories like that; just that I don't recall.

I've seen water so clear we could see rocks more than 100 feet below us, and dolphins swimming under the ship, and of course divers take pictures in very clear water sometimes; but most of the time you can't see more than a few yards under water, and periscopes don't change that. It's my feeling that the water is way too clear, and using the 'scopes to dodge destroyers and depth charges is totally wrong.