Questions for you Falklands Experts out there

baggygreen · 05-22-07, 01:53 AM

i've heard that somewhere too heibges, well at least the bit about the armour being thicker. I doubt the torps themselves were ww2 vintage, but were probably referred to as ww2 fish because they lacked guidance.

micky1up · 05-22-07, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

i've heard that somewhere too heibges, well at least the bit about the armour being thicker. I doubt the torps themselves were ww2 vintage, but were probably referred to as ww2 fish because they lacked guidance.

they where mark eight straight running torpedoes used because the belgrano had what most ww2 cruisers and battleships had a reinforced steel belt around the hull at the depth bracket that a torpedo would strike the uks mk24 torp although wireguided lacked the explosive punch of the mk8 a wise decission by the captain to use those mk8's insted of the mk24's

Jimbuna · 05-22-07, 07:19 AM

A colleague of mine has a brother who served on the Conqueror during the conflict and he reliably informs me that the eels were not set for 'straight running' but actually given a slightly offset setting in order that they travel in a curved pattern lest they be sighted and reveal the approximate locality of the sub

Heibges · 05-22-07, 09:39 AM

Does anyone know why ships today aren't so well armored?

Chock · 05-22-07, 10:20 AM

Presumably because they aren't expected to slog it out with 14 inch guns while they are 10,000 yards from one another.

Chock

Jimbuna · 05-22-07, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

Does anyone know why ships today aren't so well armored?

Speed (cost of fuel for high powered engines and steel)
Building time.

Sailor Steve · 05-22-07, 11:18 AM

Original question: I served on the Gearing class DD USS Brinkley Bass (DD-887) in 1970. She was in FRAM-1 condition at that time. In 1973 she was transferred to the Argentine Navy as CT Mariz e Barros (D-26). She was decommissioned in 1997 and sunk as a target on December 19, 2000.

From the photos here http://www.ussbrinkleybassdd887.com/...otogallery.htm it looks like not much was changed in Arentinian service.

Armor question: All battleships had armor to resist heavy shells. Most cruisers had armor thick enough to let them fight other cruisers. Some carriers had some armor, but destroyers never used armor; it wasn't worth it, and they weren't meant to stand up to heavier ships.

Marcantilan · 05-22-07, 11:57 AM

USS Brinkley Bass was transfered to Brazil, not Argentina.

http://www.naviosdeguerrabrasileiros.../M043/M043.htm

Anyway, Gearing class DD´s were used by the ARA.

05-22-07, 07:19 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A colleague of mine has a brother who served on the Conqueror during the conflict and he reliably informs me that the eels were not set for 'straight running' but actually given a slightly offset setting in order that they travel in a curved pattern lest they be sighted and reveal the approximate locality of the sub __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Does anyone know why ships today aren't so well armored? __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

05-22-07, 11:18 AM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Original question: I served on the Gearing class DD USS Brinkley Bass (DD-887) in 1970. She was in FRAM-1 condition at that time. In 1973 she was transferred to the Argentine Navy as CT Mariz e Barros (D-26). She was decommissioned in 1997 and sunk as a target on December 19, 2000. From the photos here http://www.ussbrinkleybassdd887.com/...otogallery.htm it looks like not much was changed in Arentinian service. Armor question: All battleships had armor to resist heavy shells. Most cruisers had armor thick enough to let them fight other cruisers. Some carriers had some armor, but destroyers never used armor; it wasn't worth it, and they weren't meant to stand up to heavier ships. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Marcantilan Weps Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 374 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	USS Brinkley Bass was transfered to Brazil, not Argentina. http://www.naviosdeguerrabrasileiros.../M043/M043.htm Anyway, Gearing class DD´s were used by the ARA. __________________ Ultima Ratio Regis

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05-22-07, 01:53 AM	#1
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	i've heard that somewhere too heibges, well at least the bit about the armour being thicker. I doubt the torps themselves were ww2 vintage, but were probably referred to as ww2 fish because they lacked guidance.

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Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Presumably because they aren't expected to slog it out with 14 inch guns while they are 10,000 yards from one another. Chock