Immigration Reform deal done?

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Past is past, Heibges, no sense crying over it now. I'm talking about present and future; this flow of inmigration must stop. That does not mean we shall ignore the poverty and the problems in those countries that force people to emigrate. But IMO ultimately the quick and dirty solution of opening the doors to uncontrolled inmigration to hape cheap workers will in the medium term have catastrophic consequences. France is a good example...and it had a much stronger personality and national feel than us, and look what happened after absorbing more inmigrants than it could succesfully integrate in his structures:hmm:

I see your point, but I feel everyone, even a nation-state, must take responsibility for its actions, and make corrections.

In some respects, I think that Spain was lucky to lose the Spanish American War, because all those countries that may have been angry with Spain, ended up angry at the United States instead. All my friends from Central and South America, have nothing but good things to say about Spain, and are very proud of their Spanish Heritage. But they all seem to be angry at the United States for sticking its fingers in their business.

In the United States, I think the issue of Illegal Immigrants is seperate from that of Cheap Labor. United States agriculture has relied on a supply of cheap labor since the Dust Bowl in the 1930's. And I think this stems from more basic problems with the Western Agricultural Economy since the Industrial Revolution. Hasn't England been subsidizing her farmers in one form or another for almost 300 years?

Someone brought up just raising the minimum wage in the United States, but this has small and medium sized business owners going crazy if you do that.

Finally someone is getting the word to the white house that this is and should be a non-starter.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...plate=printart


On a separate note, it'll be coming to Canada soon.

http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-frie...TICLE_ID=56332

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by waste gate

On a separate note, it'll be coming to Canada soon.

http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-frie...TICLE_ID=56332

I'm really scared about this kind of stuff. But if this goes through its our own fault completely. We elected Harper even though he's openly in awe of Brian Mulroney and last time I checked we were supposed to hate him up here. That and the bloody NDP effectively handed power to Harper and gave him the chance to legitimize his position and now this crap is coming at us.

Its hard to believe that the legacy of Pierre Trudeau is already dead. It was right after his tenure too. America keeps takingliberties with Canada's sovereignty all the time. Trying to assert control of the North-West Passage, flouting the NAFTA agreement whenever it benefits Canada, sending DEA and ATF and Texas Rangers up here to be part of the process of law and order (RCMP are so corrupt). And CSIS already openly shares info on Canadian citizens with American agencies, often in attempts to get criminals arrested in the US where laws are stricter.

Trudeau was a nationalist and when I look back at the things he said and did I believe that it really would have felt special to be a Canadian at that time. Now we're selling our selves out and slowly losing those few distinctions we have as a nation from the US. We've always been somewhat complicit with American Foreign policy and we've been a part of the Military Industrial Complex since the end of WW2. But now it seems as if the businessmen we elect and trying to make a merger with the US. People wonder how I can be such a pinko-commie liberal, but this sh!t is what keeps me yapping.

Interesting that we've managed to enter a Canadian vein into this very American topic.

[The Avon Lady]

Everybody, let's swing: I've got the !

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Its hard to believe that the legacy of Pierre Trudeau is already dead.

Oh please!






UPDATE: :rotfl:

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Oh please!






UPDATE: :rotfl:

Very nice. Spit on the memory of my country's greatest leader. Your ignorance is nearly as offensive as your mockery. I suppose you get some satisfaction from this of course, obviously since you choose to ignore your intellect and make shots like this. A completely fatuous reamark without any real point other than your repeatedly obvious disdain for the left. People around here make legitimate criticisms of Israel and the USA and it gets branded anti-US or anti-Israel, yet you don't hesitate to make such an obviously inflammatory remark in passing.

You really are pathetic, AL.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Very nice. Spit on the memory of my country's greatest leader.

If appropriate, I will not hesitate. But the 2 documentaries speak for themselves.

Your ignorance is nearly as offensive as your mockery.

Pray tell, dear sir, what ignorance are you referring to? That lots of Canadians adored, nay, worshipped Trudeau? Check. That he held Canada together in more ways than one? Check. But above and beyond that, to swoon at the sound of his name and ignore his hero worship of some of the brutalist regimes since WWII? Well, that sir, would appear to be your ignorance. Check.

I suppose you get some satisfaction from this of course, obviously since you choose to ignore your intellect and make shots like this.

Snore.

A completely fatuous reamark without any real point other than your repeatedly obvious disdain for the left.

If the shoe fits and if justifiably so, then what exactly is your gripe?

People around here make legitimate criticisms of Israel and the USA and it gets branded anti-US or anti-Israel,

Some are legitimate, others are absolutely convoluted.

yet you don't hesitate to make such an obviously inflammatory remark in passing.

You really are pathetic, AL.

Who cares!

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Pray tell, dear sir, what ignorance are you referring to? That lots of Canadians adored, nay, worshipped Trudeau? Check. That he held Canada together in more ways than one? Check. But above and beyond that, to swoon at the sound of his name and ignore his hero worship of some of the brutalist regimes since WWII? Well, that sir, would appear to be your ignorance. Check.

And what does his relationship with Castro have to do with my adoration for his leadership as a Canadian nationalist anyway? That was how he was brought up. By pointing out this irrelavent point of contention you are changing the focus of the discussion so that you can comfortably critcize Trudeau without actually being on topic.

If the shoe fits and if justifiably so, then what exactly is your gripe?

That you made it obviously. Are you admitting your attempt to piss me off outside of any constructive conversational purpose?

Who cares!

I should hope those people around here who enjoy the community would care that someone is just trying to make fire where there is none.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Heibges

In some respects, I think that Spain was lucky to lose the Spanish American War, because all those countries that may have been angry with Spain, ended up angry at the United States instead.

:rotfl:

Originally Posted by Skybird

:rotfl:

Now Spain has nothing to worry about but Muslums blowing up their trains

[geetrue]

They will pass the bill eventually so President Bush can finish the five and half billion dollar fence.

I feel sorry for the poor fruit pickers and at the same time I wonder how the skilled labor illegally here can take my son's job away from him, because they don't charge as much is the reason why.

My son tried several years ago to get a job picking fruit over in Chico, California. They wouldn't hire him because he didn't speak spanish and that's the truth.

The fence is good to keep not only illegal mirgrant's from walking across, but it is also good to give the terroist another option of gaining entry to America, besides just wading across the Rio Grande River.

It'll pass, because deals are being made even as we speak, uh type.

I don't trust the white house or congress one iota. The fence bill has already been passed but congress didn't appropriate any money to build it. 'Fool me once its your fault, fool me twice its mine'. That is why their is such a fight over this bill. How many more lies are we willing to accept on this immigration threat.

[Tchocky]

Woah, House members saying to the President that their support on Iraq is contingent on what happens on illegal immigration?

That's......professional

[Heibges]

I think they did what they had to do in light of moving 12 million people is an impossible task.

The fence thing is stupid out will only lead, as it has already, to increased bureaucracy and corruption. Go back a millenium and you find that more often than not, the Mongols bribed their way past the guards on the Great Wall of China.

Do we really want to follow the model set by the two great wall builders of the presnt day: the Soviet Union and Israel?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Heibges

Do we really want to follow the model set by the two great wall builders of the presnt day: the Soviet Union and Israel?

The former kept people in. The latter keeps terrorists out. And it works for the most part.

But suit yourself.