Immigration Reform deal done?

[Heibges]

Start back 50 years ago since the end of WWII, for most of the world. Which is barely history if you follow the 30 Years Rule.

But look at Russia, and some of those bad feelings go back 600 years. It's always been tough being Russia's neighboor.

I had a professor in college who predicted that a war between Russia and Ukraine was likely. But it's been almost 20 years so hopefully this will not come to pass.

Japan, you could argue, is the only country that benefited by contact with the West.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Heibges

Start back 50 years ago since the end of WWII, for most of the world. Which is barely history if you follow the 30 Years Rule.

And what does this have to do with Spain?

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

And what does this have to do with Spain?

in the context of this topic one might well ask 'And what does this have to do with Israel?' it surely makes as much or as little sense...

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by jumpy

in the context of this topic one might well ask 'And what does this have to do with Israel?' it surely makes as much or as little sense...

Yep. I lost track.

EDIT: But Hitman replied to Heibges spot on.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

And what does this have to do with Spain?

I thought we were talking about immigration in the United States.

If the countries of Central and South America had prospered under America's tutelage since the Monroe Doctrine, would America have the problem with illegal immigrants it has today.

If the gentlemen of Europe, in assuming their White Man's Burden, had actually meant to help the countries they colonized, would they have the problems with immigrants looking for a bigger piece of the pie?

[Hitman]

Past is past, Heibges, no sense crying over it now. I'm talking about present and future; this flow of inmigration must stop. That does not mean we shall ignore the poverty and the problems in those countries that force people to emigrate. But IMO ultimately the quick and dirty solution of opening the doors to uncontrolled inmigration to hape cheap workers will in the medium term have catastrophic consequences. France is a good example...and it had a much stronger personality and national feel than us, and look what happened after absorbing more inmigrants than it could succesfully integrate in his structures:hmm:

I've been assured that my congressman, from Colorado's 6th congressional district, will vote against this bill. His name is Tom Tancredo.

BREAKING NEWS
A temporary restraining order has been issued by U.S. District Judge Sam Lindsay that blocks Farmers Branch from implementing an ordinance banning apartment rentals to most illegal immigrants. Details to come.

http://www.dallasnews.com/index.html

The voters of Farmers Branch passed this ordinance by a 68% to 32% vote.

BTW here is the judge who issued the order http://www.txnd.uscourts.gov/judges/lindsay.html

If you cannot win at the ballot box take it to the court! Ala Algore. So much for believing in democracy.
This why we cannot allow the amnesty.............these folks don't believe in democracy.
wg

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Past is past, Heibges, no sense crying over it now. I'm talking about present and future; this flow of inmigration must stop. That does not mean we shall ignore the poverty and the problems in those countries that force people to emigrate. But IMO ultimately the quick and dirty solution of opening the doors to uncontrolled inmigration to hape cheap workers will in the medium term have catastrophic consequences. France is a good example...and it had a much stronger personality and national feel than us, and look what happened after absorbing more inmigrants than it could succesfully integrate in his structures:hmm:

I see your point, but I feel everyone, even a nation-state, must take responsibility for its actions, and make corrections.

In some respects, I think that Spain was lucky to lose the Spanish American War, because all those countries that may have been angry with Spain, ended up angry at the United States instead. All my friends from Central and South America, have nothing but good things to say about Spain, and are very proud of their Spanish Heritage. But they all seem to be angry at the United States for sticking its fingers in their business.

In the United States, I think the issue of Illegal Immigrants is seperate from that of Cheap Labor. United States agriculture has relied on a supply of cheap labor since the Dust Bowl in the 1930's. And I think this stems from more basic problems with the Western Agricultural Economy since the Industrial Revolution. Hasn't England been subsidizing her farmers in one form or another for almost 300 years?

Someone brought up just raising the minimum wage in the United States, but this has small and medium sized business owners going crazy if you do that.

Finally someone is getting the word to the white house that this is and should be a non-starter.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...plate=printart


On a separate note, it'll be coming to Canada soon.

http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-frie...TICLE_ID=56332

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by waste gate

On a separate note, it'll be coming to Canada soon.

http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-frie...TICLE_ID=56332

I'm really scared about this kind of stuff. But if this goes through its our own fault completely. We elected Harper even though he's openly in awe of Brian Mulroney and last time I checked we were supposed to hate him up here. That and the bloody NDP effectively handed power to Harper and gave him the chance to legitimize his position and now this crap is coming at us.

Its hard to believe that the legacy of Pierre Trudeau is already dead. It was right after his tenure too. America keeps takingliberties with Canada's sovereignty all the time. Trying to assert control of the North-West Passage, flouting the NAFTA agreement whenever it benefits Canada, sending DEA and ATF and Texas Rangers up here to be part of the process of law and order (RCMP are so corrupt). And CSIS already openly shares info on Canadian citizens with American agencies, often in attempts to get criminals arrested in the US where laws are stricter.

Trudeau was a nationalist and when I look back at the things he said and did I believe that it really would have felt special to be a Canadian at that time. Now we're selling our selves out and slowly losing those few distinctions we have as a nation from the US. We've always been somewhat complicit with American Foreign policy and we've been a part of the Military Industrial Complex since the end of WW2. But now it seems as if the businessmen we elect and trying to make a merger with the US. People wonder how I can be such a pinko-commie liberal, but this sh!t is what keeps me yapping.

Interesting that we've managed to enter a Canadian vein into this very American topic.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Heibges

In some respects, I think that Spain was lucky to lose the Spanish American War, because all those countries that may have been angry with Spain, ended up angry at the United States instead.

:rotfl:

Originally Posted by Skybird

:rotfl:

Now Spain has nothing to worry about but Muslums blowing up their trains

[geetrue]

They will pass the bill eventually so President Bush can finish the five and half billion dollar fence.

I feel sorry for the poor fruit pickers and at the same time I wonder how the skilled labor illegally here can take my son's job away from him, because they don't charge as much is the reason why.

My son tried several years ago to get a job picking fruit over in Chico, California. They wouldn't hire him because he didn't speak spanish and that's the truth.

The fence is good to keep not only illegal mirgrant's from walking across, but it is also good to give the terroist another option of gaining entry to America, besides just wading across the Rio Grande River.

It'll pass, because deals are being made even as we speak, uh type.

[Iceman]

Always thought this was a chilling line...

"Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure. "