This just makes me want to cry.

Beery · 05-19-07, 11:08 PM

As far as I can see the plane is about 4km away. I've been airborne in a WW2-era aircraft and the thing vibrated so much that I was lucky if I could see a battleship at 4km, let alone a sub, even if I knew it was out there somewhere. At under 1000ft (which seems to be about how high planes fly in the game) a sub 4km away is a tiny speck near the horizon. A pilot is not going to see it unless he's pointed directly at it because your view from most WW2 cockpits is obscured by wings to the sides and the fuselage to the rear. Remember, subs are camouflaged, these planes don't have radar and most planes flying over your position aren't even looking for subs. The other problem is that in a vast featureless ocean the brain plays tricks - after hours in the cockpit looking at a grey expanse of sea a pilot might not notice a sub even if he's looking right at it.

I think players sometimes tend to have seriously unrealistic expectations of what human beings are able to do. Even if the plane was actively looking for your sub (which may not be the case), even if he knew your general position (he doesn't), the chances are still fairly low that he's ever going to spot you unless you're right in front of him.

leovampire · 05-19-07, 11:36 PM

I am pretty sure when this is set you get a heads up when you click on them as to how far they can see from their possition just like it is set for some ships they may or may not see you inside of that circle depending on their senser settings and the type of weather conditions as well as the time of day as far as night & Day conditions. But I havn't seen anything as far as radar settings for any planes.

But Fighters in WWII were sometimes carrying bombs like 2 x 100lb or 2 x 250lb or 1 x 500lb bombs but depending on speed and loadout changed their range that is why I am setting up fighters with a 600 ;700 range set up in my Mod I am making with the option between those bomb loads.

Dave

tater · 05-19-07, 11:48 PM

Leovampire,

The Zero virtually never carried bombs. It had wing mounts for 1 60kg bomb on each wing, but if they were used at all, it would be a specific attack. That said, I've not read of any such attacks ever happening. They carried a single 250kg bomb, but only when outfitted as suicide planes. Zeros should have no bombs.

All japanese planes had abysmal bomb loads compared to American planes. The G4M "Betty" carried 800kg of bombs, total. The "Val" a single 250kg bomb, and 2x60kg. The "Kate" 800kg.

All the bomb loads in stock SH4 for japanese planes are not just wrong, but grossly wrong. They all carry way too many, and too much weight.

For maritime patrol, planes would carry lighter loads as well to increase range.

Hitman · 05-20-07, 02:49 AM

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As far as I can see the plane is about 4km away. I've been airborne in a WW2-era aircraft and the thing vibrated so much that I was lucky if I could see a battleship at 4km, let alone a sub, even if I knew it was out there somewhere. At under 1000ft (which seems to be about how high planes fly in the game) a sub 4km away is a tiny speck near the horizon. A pilot is not going to see it unless he's pointed directly at it because your view from most WW2 cockpits is obscured by wings to the sides and the fuselage to the rear. Remember, subs are camouflaged, these planes don't have radar and most planes flying over your position aren't even looking for subs. The other problem is that in a vast featureless ocean the brain plays tricks - after hours in the cockpit looking at a grey expanse of sea a pilot might not notice a sub even if he's looking right at it.

I think players sometimes tend to have seriously unrealistic expectations of what human beings are able to do. Even if the plane was actively looking for your sub (which may not be the case), even if he knew your general position (he doesn't), the chances are still fairly low that he's ever going to spot you unless you're right in front of him.

Very interesting Beery, many thanks for sharing that experience

I think you are very right on that, another good example would be the dreaded surface attacks at night. Who would have told that a 250 ft long submarine would not be spotted on the surface at night in the center of a convoy? But Kretschmer proved well that was the case

05-19-07, 11:08 PM	#1
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	As far as I can see the plane is about 4km away. I've been airborne in a WW2-era aircraft and the thing vibrated so much that I was lucky if I could see a battleship at 4km, let alone a sub, even if I knew it was out there somewhere. At under 1000ft (which seems to be about how high planes fly in the game) a sub 4km away is a tiny speck near the horizon. A pilot is not going to see it unless he's pointed directly at it because your view from most WW2 cockpits is obscured by wings to the sides and the fuselage to the rear. Remember, subs are camouflaged, these planes don't have radar and most planes flying over your position aren't even looking for subs. The other problem is that in a vast featureless ocean the brain plays tricks - after hours in the cockpit looking at a grey expanse of sea a pilot might not notice a sub even if he's looking right at it. I think players sometimes tend to have seriously unrealistic expectations of what human beings are able to do. Even if the plane was actively looking for your sub (which may not be the case), even if he knew your general position (he doesn't), the chances are still fairly low that he's ever going to spot you unless you're right in front of him. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen. Last edited by Beery; 05-19-07 at 11:56 PM.

05-19-07, 11:36 PM	#2
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There is an adjustment for aircraft visual range I am pretty sure when this is set you get a heads up when you click on them as to how far they can see from their possition just like it is set for some ships they may or may not see you inside of that circle depending on their senser settings and the type of weather conditions as well as the time of day as far as night & Day conditions. But I havn't seen anything as far as radar settings for any planes. But Fighters in WWII were sometimes carrying bombs like 2 x 100lb or 2 x 250lb or 1 x 500lb bombs but depending on speed and loadout changed their range that is why I am setting up fighters with a 600 ;700 range set up in my Mod I am making with the option between those bomb loads. Dave __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

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05-19-07, 11:48 PM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Leovampire, The Zero virtually never carried bombs. It had wing mounts for 1 60kg bomb on each wing, but if they were used at all, it would be a specific attack. That said, I've not read of any such attacks ever happening. They carried a single 250kg bomb, but only when outfitted as suicide planes. Zeros should have no bombs. All japanese planes had abysmal bomb loads compared to American planes. The G4M "Betty" carried 800kg of bombs, total. The "Val" a single 250kg bomb, and 2x60kg. The "Kate" 800kg. All the bomb loads in stock SH4 for japanese planes are not just wrong, but grossly wrong. They all carry way too many, and too much weight. For maritime patrol, planes would carry lighter loads as well to increase range.