Class action suit against UBI - Page 2

Egan · 05-18-07, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycluded

Best idea ever.

That is, if you want to never have another Silent Hunter again. Ever.

100% agreed.

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Originally Posted by MaxT.dk

Exactly what I've said regarding the 1.3 patch... UBI targeted SH4 at the main public for a reason... And this lawsuit will be just for the good of this little group of 100%-realism-and-historically-correct SH4 skippers and noone else

Just how I see it

I'm sorry, but this is total nonsense. In what possible way would a lawsuit against one of the 2 companies still manufacturing submarine simulations benefit someone like me who has been playing subsims for years and IS interested in historical realism and history? It seems to me far more likly to 'benefit' those that have more of a passing interest in the genre and wouldn't even notice if Ubi dumped their simulation projects.

kverdon · 05-18-07, 09:17 AM

As others have said, a class action lawsuit would most likely ensure that Ubisoft Never did a subsim again. It would also be a lose-lose for us any further patches would be tied up while the suit was being argued. IF the class won the suit, and this could take a year or so...the most likely settlement would be a refund of your money of which 80% would go to the legal fees. So....... if you want to expend a lot of effor to ensure that SHIV is never patched and Ubi never does another subsim, so that you can get your $10 check from Ubi, go for it.

This is not to say that other action against Ubi should be contemplated. If the 1.3 patch does not happen and you are rather disastified with the delivered product, I would first contact Ubisoft and demand a refund. If they refuse I would contact the Better Buisness Bureau in Ubisot USA's hometown of San Francisco and file a complaint there.

Kevin

AVGWarhawk · 05-18-07, 09:26 AM

I'll tell you who will win in the end here.....the lawyers.

Patch will come, we are at the point were some fixes affect other areas of the game and now these need to be looked at also. It will take some time but in the end I believe we will have a fixed game.

DiveMonkey · 05-18-07, 09:35 AM

I'm not arguing for or against, But if UBI don't release another patch...why would anyone want SHV?

I think 1.3 is coming. I also think it should never have been necessary! least not to the extent it's needed just to fix features that should have worked out of the box.

It would also be nice to hear from UBI about 1.3!
Just a "it's coming along and will have it too you soon" would go a long way.

TDK1044 · 05-18-07, 09:37 AM

Not only would a class action lawsuit pretty much guarantee that Ubisoft never produces a sub sim again, it would also be a shot accross the bow of any other company considering it.

We know that the profit margin on a PC sub sim game is low, and if the only company producing those games just stopped producing them because of possible litigation, does anyone really believe that another company will then seek to develop a brand new sub sim from scratch, requiring a significant investment and a 24 month development schedule?

Please end this nonsense.

Snowman999 · 05-18-07, 11:10 AM

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Not only would a class action lawsuit pretty much guarantee that Ubisoft never produces a sub sim again, it would also be a shot accross the bow of any other company considering it.

Ubisoft was sued for $5 million over use of Starforce in SH3 and other games in a class-action format. Didn't stop SH4 production decisions.

This running about in fear for SH5 is ridiculous. After the SH4 debacle it's very unlikely, but even so the business decision is just that. Anything said here either way isn't more than a fart in a whirlwind.

Google on "class action lawsuit PC games". You'll get thousands of hits. There have been many, MANY class action suits over the years and they continue today.

SteamWake · 05-18-07, 09:29 AM

Your petty threats will gain no leverage.

Im sorry it is so petty. If you really want your money back go back to the store you bought it from ! Most retailers can be convinced to take the product back with a good enough reason. If you feel your reasons are valid enough in order to sue on behalf of thousands of people they should be valid enough for a retailer to re-imburse you. If your retailer is one of those "oh gee you opened the box we cant take this back" sorts. Dont do buisness with them.

Whats that ? Oh youve been "using" it for months. Well then I guess your stuck with it.

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05-18-07, 09:17 AM	#2
kverdon Seaman Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 36 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	As others have said, a class action lawsuit would most likely ensure that Ubisoft Never did a subsim again. It would also be a lose-lose for us any further patches would be tied up while the suit was being argued. IF the class won the suit, and this could take a year or so...the most likely settlement would be a refund of your money of which 80% would go to the legal fees. So....... if you want to expend a lot of effor to ensure that SHIV is never patched and Ubi never does another subsim, so that you can get your $10 check from Ubi, go for it. This is not to say that other action against Ubi should be contemplated. If the 1.3 patch does not happen and you are rather disastified with the delivered product, I would first contact Ubisoft and demand a refund. If they refuse I would contact the Better Buisness Bureau in Ubisot USA's hometown of San Francisco and file a complaint there. Kevin

05-18-07, 09:35 AM	#4
DiveMonkey Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 111 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm not arguing for or against, But if UBI don't release another patch...why would anyone want SHV? I think 1.3 is coming. I also think it should never have been necessary! least not to the extent it's needed just to fix features that should have worked out of the box. It would also be nice to hear from UBI about 1.3! Just a "it's coming along and will have it too you soon" would go a long way.

05-18-07, 09:37 AM	#5
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Not only would a class action lawsuit pretty much guarantee that Ubisoft never produces a sub sim again, it would also be a shot accross the bow of any other company considering it. We know that the profit margin on a PC sub sim game is low, and if the only company producing those games just stopped producing them because of possible litigation, does anyone really believe that another company will then seek to develop a brand new sub sim from scratch, requiring a significant investment and a 24 month development schedule? Please end this nonsense.

05-18-07, 09:29 AM	#7
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Your petty threats will gain no leverage. Im sorry it is so petty. If you really want your money back go back to the store you bought it from ! Most retailers can be convinced to take the product back with a good enough reason. If you feel your reasons are valid enough in order to sue on behalf of thousands of people they should be valid enough for a retailer to re-imburse you. If your retailer is one of those "oh gee you opened the box we cant take this back" sorts. Dont do buisness with them. Whats that ? Oh youve been "using" it for months. Well then I guess your stuck with it.