Carotio, a theif!

[Jimbuna]

Not feckin again!!

Some people appear to be happy when they know they're as popular as a fart in a spacesuit

I only wish we could hard code the mods and put a stop to this madness

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by danlisa

I think the problem stems from the fact that, rather than making changes to files and then distributing them as a JSGME or exe package, he's taking the entirety of said mod packages, making changes and re-releasing it as a complete supermod.

This was not done with GWX-TA, neither GW-UA!
WU will contain from WAC and GWX, what I find interesting! But it's not necessarily the entire package! The size will still be big, but it will not contain everything! Just as WAC or GWX don't contain everything!

At least this is what he has done to date, with (as far as I know) no permission obtained from the creators of the original work.

Partly true, partly not true! It's true that I have not asked all and one modder to permit my tweaks, some people just don't answer me, when I send them a PM! How is the normal reaction, when people ignore a person? Exactly, one would do the same to them! But that doesn't me that I don't write a credit to them in the readme file!

Regardless of credit given, this is 'poaching' off other peoples hard work.

One may feel so, but one shouldn't!

You could argue that any modder working from UBI files should do the same, but blah blah blah. We heard that before. What we are talking about is 'modders etiquette' within the community. He has shown none.

Wrong! I show some by crediting! I just don't fall to my knees and beg for permission! But we have all been through this before: some find the begging necessary, I don't! I admit it and apologize for it! But accept the fact, when you release some freeware on the internet, it's freeware! It will be used sooner or later, also one day, when none of us is around anymore...
So I credit, and that's it! Sorry!

[danlisa]

What I don't understand is why you don't follow the practices of every other modder?

Ask Permission!
Give Credit! (ok, done)

2 points here;

If you asked permission to use the entirety of GWX and re-release it with your changes, then permission would not have been given.

If you just created your tweaks and distributed them as an optional/additional mod in JSGME/EXE format then, permission would not have been needed and the 'intellectual rights' of GWX/WAC would not have been contravened. Not only that but, your tweaks would have been in a smaller package.

This seems to me that you need the work already done by GWX/WAC to be able to produce anything. Just do what everyone else has, release changes or improvements on their own. Why is that so hard?

Edit - posted before your response.

[Hitman]

Nuff talk

Carotio has not yet released that supposed super-mod, and we don't know yet how it will come in its final form (If it ever does ).

Continuing an angry discussion about it serves no purpose except unnecessarily heating this forum. :hmm: Let time go by and see what happens. If unauthorized mods content is later used, I will be the first to be against it, but don't go mad about something that has not happened yet.

[Carotio]

[quote=danlisa]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

EDIT - Just seen your edit. There would probably no issue with this, if a JSGME/EXE package was created to add Carotio's changes to someones install of GWX/WAC

GWX-TA was/is exactly that! Tweaks on top of GWX!

but what he is doing is using entire supermods and re-distributing them.

What's the difference of including a small mod in GWX/WAC and a part/parts of a supermod like GWX/WAC in another mod?
None!

To me and many others, that is plagerism.

Only if they appear exactly the same!

If he is going to create a supermod, he must start from scratch with his own files & research.

That's of course your right to have that opinion! Some things will be/are done from scratch, but some will be taken from other mods!

You will probably find that the majority of time it took for GWX to be ready for release was taken up with research & testing (at least 75%), Carotio has done none of this.

How do you know this? Have you lived under my bed for the last year or two? I have done some research and testing too!

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by joea

Tuddley, how many people have posted thanking him for "his" GWX mod that have never posted here or thanked the GWX team or those who contributed. A fair number have thanked Carotio for the whole mod...he doesn't just distribute the tweaks for GWX but the whole mod that's the issue!!

I have not asked these people to thank me for the whole job! NEVER!

When I have read these thanks, at subsim or in any other forum, I have always corrected them and said: try GWX without GWX-TA first, so one can see the difference!
And I have also stated quite clearly in my readme file, what was done by me and what was done by somebody else!
But I guess, the GWX dev team and I have something in common then: apparently no-one reads the readme...

I bet: most of you complainers have not even had the guts to try GWX-TA on top of GWX first, before complaining! Then you would know of some improvements, yes, I did say improvements!

I know, I have also made some tweaks, which do not fall into the taste of everyone, but I do believe, I have been coorporative with those asking for how to further mod my tweak or to exclude a certain part of GWX-TA. I also made the original damage model as an optional mod, and not as default!

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by HanSolo78

I just read about his plan in the german forum... (a little more detailed) and I have to say, that I am completly furious!!
It is not just taking little things like merchants and putting them into the campaign...instead he takes work which has been developed and improved over 1 1/2 years, punches it together with parts of GWx and names it a new supermod!!!????
also he did not ask to use work of others!!

Carotio ... this can´t be.... it is one thing... changing an existent supermod and releasing it as addon... but this is really DAMN FU*****

Well, I'm sorry that you feel ripped off! But before you hit the roof out of anger, then please look in the German ubi forum! At your PMs!

I'm always accused of not asking people first!

But I did send you a PM there April 18th, and you haven't even bothered to answer it! Why?

So please, before you all hit the roof out of anger towards me accusing me for not asking first! How come do you expect me to act otherwise, when you ignore me?
Publicly, you tell me to ask first. In private, you ignore me! Go figure, why I act, how I act!

And HanSolo, I do not just merge WAC and GWX today, and release it tomorrow!
I don't!

I investigate the campaigns to get ideas, I do my tweaks to that! I'll look at other things and do tweaks to that as well.

When and if WU appears, it will not be like WAC, and it will not be like GWX, but it will have elements from both, I don't deny that! But I will still be something completely different!

I'll respond to your message in German ubi forum as well!

[HanSolo78]

Originally Posted by Carotio

Well, I'm sorry that you feel ripped off! But before you hit the roof out of anger, then please look in the German ubi forum! At your PMs!

I'm always accused of not asking people first!

But I did send you a PM there April 18th, and you haven't even bothered to answer it! Why?

So please, before you all hit the roof out of anger towards me accusing me for not asking first! How come do you expect me to act otherwise, when you ignore me?
Publicly, you tell me to ask first. In private, you ignore me! Go figure, why I act, how I act!

And HanSolo, I do not just merge WAC and GWX today, and release it tomorrow!
I don't!

I investigate the campaigns to get ideas, I do my tweaks to that! I'll look at other things and do tweaks to that as well.

When and if WU appears, it will not be like WAC, and it will not be like GWX, but it will have elements from both, I don't deny that! But I will still be something completely different!

I'll respond to your message in German ubi forum as well!

Why I didn`t answer?
Because I don´t get email notifications of PMs !!!
I almost never use PMs in the germean ubi forum.
I just read your message and it is nothing ok if you assume that I read PMs and so.. the thing is done!
Just as you answer that I did not read your Pm it is a complete unacceptable approach of your work taking things from others!

So.. you wanna tweak the campaign files? what do you wanna tweak? tell me! what do you want to change?
I tell you... there won`t be a noticeable difference!!!! I swear!

so.. if you think you can do whatever you want, then I´ll do things like you too and this won´t be to your pleasures!

[Hitman]

OK gentleman. The discussion has arived to a point where it's mostly about personal remarks that should be discussed privately. I'm closing this topic. Let the discussion continue through other ways now.