Any interest in an IS-WAS for SH3?

Puster Bill · 05-08-07, 10:00 AM

Awesome work Hitman.

The only downside that I can see is that you are going to need the target to shift at least 6 degrees of bearing between range marks (a problem with any rule that doesn't have an ST scale).

The current rule I am using (A pocket sized Pickett N200-ES Trig) has both an S and an ST scale. I had to use the ST scale yesterday on a slow moving target, because the angle they had moved between my range marks was 5 degrees. I didn't need it to find the AOB, but distance target travelled. I was using 100 second intervals for my marks so that I could skip the meters travelled/seconds calculation. It just made the math easier.

For the AOB calculation you'd only need an ST scale if the target was coming pretty much directly at you or directly away from you.

Still, the US version didn't have an ST scale, so I wouldn't include it.

We just have to be aware that apparent target motion will have to equal at least 6 degrees to get a target distance 'distance travelled', so that we can calculate speed.

Hitman · 05-08-07, 01:56 PM

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I definitely would like to help provide you some return for the hard work that is going into the design and eventual production of the wheels.

If it finally goes into production, it will be a product completely for the support of subsim.com running costs. I do not want a single cent of it, like I already did with the PA mod. All those things are simply ways of contributing keeping this excellent site up and running. Hosting costs exceed 500$ a month

and in months when donations or sales via the store do not reach that, the rest comes out entirely of Neal's own pocket

Thank you anyway for your interest and support

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The only downside that I can see is that you are going to need the target to shift at least 6 degrees of bearing between range marks (a problem with any rule that doesn't have an ST scale).

Yes, as you say that seems to happen also with the MK3 US sub attack course finder. Probably the less than 5 degress moving targets were neglected due to their low speed making them much easier to hit.:hmm:

Wilcke · 05-08-07, 03:11 PM

Thank you sir, premature I know but my CC is at the ready!

Wilcke

Hitman · 05-08-07, 03:46 PM

....and probably the last update prior to a formal release, so anyone can comment and say what could be improved

jmr · 05-08-07, 04:00 PM

Hot damn I can't wait for it!

TarJak · 05-08-07, 09:38 PM

Looks good to me. Can't wait to be in wizzwheel heaven.

Puster Bill · 05-09-07, 08:25 AM

One small suggestion: Make a version of the inner wheel without the swastika, for the benefit of our bretheren in countries where that is verboten.

It looks great Hitman!

kevtherev · 05-16-07, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

....and probably the last update prior to a formal release, so anyone can comment and say what could be improved

I am afraid that my wheel looks exactly as the one quoted in this post and not the one that you show in your last post ! They are totally different but I suppose you could link me to the B/W one that you show in quote then I could use that one.
BTW thanks for your rapid response, much better than the response from UBI for patch 1.3 for SH4 !!

Hitman · 05-16-07, 09:02 AM

LOL then the problem is that you have been trying to understand a quick-guide I gave for the US wheel and apply it for the german wheel

No wonder you got confused and did not find the numbers

In the german one, the blue "40" is in the external magenta wheel. The red "3000" is in the centre wheel, duplicated in the exterior and interior section of the same wheel (In the centre is the speed scale). The inner time wheel is exactly the same in both wheels except for the form of the speed pointer.

So you align the 3000 in the middle wheel with the 40 in the exterior wheel. Then the 1-10 of the inner wheel with the 1600 of the middle wheel. That's the reason the distance scale is duplicated in the middle wheel, so you have it easier to read the 40 vs. the 3000 in the exterior and the 1600 vs. the 1-10 in the interior one.

kevtherev · 05-16-07, 10:05 AM

O/K, now I have got it, I think. Silly me,

trust the Germans (or Americans) to get things a#se about face. In the meantime I racked up a quick example (US wheel) in Paint Shop from your picture. Now when I compare the readings between the two I get a 0.4 knt increase in speed on the German one against the US one. Could be my assembly is not quite correct or it could be that the German one is a little faster !! vorsprung durch teknik. :hmm:
Still, many thanks, can now go ahead with speeeeed calculations.

05-08-07, 10:00 AM	#1
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Awesome work Hitman. The only downside that I can see is that you are going to need the target to shift at least 6 degrees of bearing between range marks (a problem with any rule that doesn't have an ST scale). The current rule I am using (A pocket sized Pickett N200-ES Trig) has both an S and an ST scale. I had to use the ST scale yesterday on a slow moving target, because the angle they had moved between my range marks was 5 degrees. I didn't need it to find the AOB, but distance target travelled. I was using 100 second intervals for my marks so that I could skip the meters travelled/seconds calculation. It just made the math easier. For the AOB calculation you'd only need an ST scale if the target was coming pretty much directly at you or directly away from you. Still, the US version didn't have an ST scale, so I wouldn't include it. We just have to be aware that apparent target motion will have to equal at least 6 degrees to get a target distance 'distance travelled', so that we can calculate speed. __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

05-08-07, 03:46 PM	#4
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	....and probably the last update prior to a formal release, so anyone can comment and say what could be improved __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

05-09-07, 08:25 AM	#7
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	One small suggestion: Make a version of the inner wheel without the swastika, for the benefit of our bretheren in countries where that is verboten. It looks great Hitman! __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

05-16-07, 09:02 AM	#9
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	LOL then the problem is that you have been trying to understand a quick-guide I gave for the US wheel and apply it for the german wheel No wonder you got confused and did not find the numbers In the german one, the blue "40" is in the external magenta wheel. The red "3000" is in the centre wheel, duplicated in the exterior and interior section of the same wheel (In the centre is the speed scale). The inner time wheel is exactly the same in both wheels except for the form of the speed pointer. So you align the 3000 in the middle wheel with the 40 in the exterior wheel. Then the 1-10 of the inner wheel with the 1600 of the middle wheel. That's the reason the distance scale is duplicated in the middle wheel, so you have it easier to read the 40 vs. the 3000 in the exterior and the 1600 vs. the 1-10 in the interior one. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

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05-08-07, 03:11 PM	#3
Wilcke The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,441 Downloads: 234 Uploads: 0	Thank you sir, premature I know but my CC is at the ready! Wilcke

05-08-07, 04:00 PM	#5
jmr Commander Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 462 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Hot damn I can't wait for it!

05-08-07, 09:38 PM	#6
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Looks good to me. Can't wait to be in wizzwheel heaven.

05-16-07, 10:05 AM	#10
kevtherev Loader Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hamburg Posts: 88 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	O/K, now I have got it, I think. Silly me, trust the Germans (or Americans) to get things a#se about face. In the meantime I racked up a quick example (US wheel) in Paint Shop from your picture. Now when I compare the readings between the two I get a 0.4 knt increase in speed on the German one against the US one. Could be my assembly is not quite correct or it could be that the German one is a little faster !! vorsprung durch teknik. :hmm: Still, many thanks, can now go ahead with speeeeed calculations.