Taking damage for no reason

[U-Bones]

I have seen this without saves.


And if you happen to catch it happening, and save tha game before you die - zero damage to hull. Bulkheads are the problem.

I know the game refers to bulkhead damage as hull damage, but this is misleading, the numbers are NOT the same - there is one hull, or boat, and several bulkheads, all with their own HP and damage. Clearly seen in saves.

Busted bulkeads lead to flooding and issues holding depth.

Hull failure simply results in everything failing and losing your diesel fuel. When that happens its over, spinny screen incoming. There are no flooding or depth keeping issues associated with hull damage.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by U-Bones

I have seen this without saves.


And if you happen to catch it happening, and save tha game before you die - zero damage to hull. Bulkheads are the problem.

I know the game refers to bulkhead damage as hull damage, but this is misleading, the numbers are NOT the same - there is one hull, or boat, and several bulkheads, all with their own HP and damage. Clearly seen in saves.

Busted bulkeads lead to flooding and issues holding depth.

Hull failure simply results in everything failing and losing your diesel fuel. When that happens its over, spinny screen incoming. There are no flooding or depth keeping issues associated with hull damage.

I'm starting to notice the hull/bulkhead deal you talking about. Today I was busy attempting to get damaged so I could work with damage control. This part of the program is just about there. I did notice if you put the mouse over the dark red line you get a number showing how long to repair. I never noticed that before.

Todays repairs went just fine. Bad bulkhead damage, almost to the top in ugly dark red. Prop, stern torps damaged. I fixed the bulkhead. Crew said hull repaired yadda yadda. So I decided to test my luck and went to 200 feet. No problem, she held. I do not know if keeping the crew on battle stations helps the cause for repairs. I did and it seems to work.

It seems the answers to the damage are looking at us right in the face but we are not seeing it. I have studied the screen and moved men around. Got to be an answer.

[perisher]

Hover your mouse pointer over the Damage Control Crew text label to the left of the crew boxes. A pop up will show hull integrity.

[DragonRR1]

Originally Posted by perisher

Hover your mouse pointer over the Damage Control Crew text label to the left of the crew boxes. A pop up will show hull integrity.

OMG all this time

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by perisher

Hover your mouse pointer over the Damage Control Crew text label to the left of the crew boxes. A pop up will show hull integrity.

What the...who the....get out of Dodge. Does it really???? Like I said a few posts back...it is looking me in the face and I can not see it!!! You are awesome Perisher. If only the manual....never mind. Great find and thanks!!!

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by perisher

Hover your mouse pointer over the Damage Control Crew text label to the left of the crew boxes. A pop up will show hull integrity.

Learn somethin every day....

Has anyone started a wicki yet ?

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by perisher

Hover your mouse pointer over the Damage Control Crew text label to the left of the crew boxes. A pop up will show hull integrity.

This is NOT true. See this post.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...85&postcount=8

Sorry, i kinda wish it was.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by U-Bones

This is NOT true. See this post.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...85&postcount=8

Sorry, i kinda wish it was.

I posted in the other thread started on this mystery pop up number. Is this number for total sub damage?

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I posted in the other thread started on this mystery pop up number. Is this number for total sub damage?

Can somebody put an screen shot please ?
I have the game strongly tweaked, may be i had ruined some thing...

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by perisher

Hover your mouse pointer over the Damage Control Crew text label to the left of the crew boxes. A pop up will show hull integrity.

I think so it is Time to Repair and Time to flooding... not hull integrity... correct ? :hmm:

[SnowCajun]

I've also noticed before while at dock I've gotten announcements saying, "passing thermal layer, passing thermal layer" .. lol, and all without my engines even running. Oh well, some of the bugs are at least funny.

SnowCajun

[Redwine]

Well i reach to tweak many things. Hull hitpoints, bulkhead hitpoints, individual compartements hitpoints, flooding start, reapir speed.

But there is a law, when your bulhead take damage, your crush depth is reduced, itrise up some meters, simulating a stressed hull.

In my last test mission, using a Salmon with an adjusted crush depth of 114 meters, i take damage on bulkhead, red bar was not full, it was under the 50%.

I evade the 2 Akizuki, go far away, and reapir all reparable items.

Then i sail on surface many hour to permit any hidden bulkhead maintenaince.

Attempt to dive to peri depth, all OK. I sail 12 hours at peri depth, go to surface.

I was detected by another 2 anoying Akizuki. i performed a crash dive.... 40m, all OK, they attacked me, take some more damage, then i go to 50m, all OK, then i go under the thermal layer.... 60m, all OK. And evade them.

Sail on surface many hours, about 12 hours.

All reparable damage reapired.

then dive to 60m, sail there many hours at 2knots, all OK.

then go to 70m... sail at that depth many hours, all OK.

then go to 80m, my crush depth is 114m..... after few minutes.... domino effect, spining camera and sub sinks....

A small damage in my bulkhead reduce my crush depth in 34 meters.... about 30%.

There is a realtionship between the bulkhead damage and the crush depth reduction in some place but cant found it... :hmm:

May be hardcoded ?

The only way i can see up to ate, is to make the bulkhead more strong, and the depth charges powerless.... to reduce the probability of the domino effect, and reseve it for when you take really severe damage only.

Really, we need some kind of advice, in example the bulkhead item box, become yellow, orange or red indicating some kind of level of stress in the hull.

In real life, a crew sure will say you ...

"captain, we have the ribs reinforced with woods, dont dive beyond peri depth...!!!"

Still researching....,

[kakemann]

Thanks Redwine. This clarifies a bit for me.

I was thinking about the USSUBPARTS files... Could the bulkhead damage settings be located there?

Haven't been looking yet.

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by kakemann

Thanks Redwine. This clarifies a bit for me.

I was thinking about the USSUBPARTS files... Could the bulkhead damage settings be located there?

Haven't been looking yet.

I tweaked that but no way... :hmm:

Your Bulkhead become strong, i twaeked the depth charges too making them more weak, i rise up the floooding point, tweaked many more things as repair coheficient, maintenance coheficient, i rise sub hull hitpoints, each individual compartement hit points...., you make the sub strong to be damaged, but when it takes damage...., the domino effect happens even when your bulkhead had taked NO DAMAGE.

If you take some considerable damage, and you dive in example under the thermal layer with a salmon, you are done.... :hmm:

Hull seems to be stressed by damage, it may be real, but in game is too anoying, you have no advertence of any kind.

Plus the damage must be taken more slowly, i make slow my crash speeds, but no way... after take damage, if you dive too much... a domino effect happens, disregarding if you rise your sub inmediatelly when sudden damage start to appears....

It is really anoying and the baddest poit in this game.

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by Redwine

Well i reach to tweak many things. Hull hitpoints, bulkhead hitpoints, individual compartements hitpoints, flooding start, reapir speed.

But there is a law, when your bulhead take damage, your crush depth is reduced, itrise up some meters, simulating a stressed hull.

In my last test mission, using a Salmon with an adjusted crush depth of 114 meters, i take damage on bulkhead, red bar was not full, it was under the 50%.

I evade the 2 Akizuki, go far away, and reapir all reparable items.

Then i sail on surface many hour to permit any hidden bulkhead maintenaince.

Attempt to dive to peri depth, all OK. I sail 12 hours at peri depth, go to surface.

I was detected by another 2 anoying Akizuki. i performed a crash dive.... 40m, all OK, they attacked me, take some more damage, then i go to 50m, all OK, then i go under the thermal layer.... 60m, all OK. And evade them.

Sail on surface many hours, about 12 hours.

All reparable damage reapired.

then dive to 60m, sail there many hours at 2knots, all OK.

then go to 70m... sail at that depth many hours, all OK.

then go to 80m, my crush depth is 114m..... after few minutes.... domino effect, spining camera and sub sinks....

A small damage in my bulkhead reduce my crush depth in 34 meters.... about 30%.

There is a realtionship between the bulkhead damage and the crush depth reduction in some place but cant found it... :hmm:

May be hardcoded ?

The only way i can see up to ate, is to make the bulkhead more strong, and the depth charges powerless.... to reduce the probability of the domino effect, and reseve it for when you take really severe damage only.

Really, we need some kind of advice, in example the bulkhead item box, become yellow, orange or red indicating some kind of level of stress in the hull.

In real life, a crew sure will say you ...

"captain, we have the ribs reinforced with woods, dont dive beyond peri depth...!!!"

Still researching....,

Redwine have you looked in the save files ? It is possible that the hull was damaged in addition to the bulkhead. (Seperate issue). I suspect that you would find the bulkhead were really repaired, but the hull itself was damaged.

What you describe sounds like true hull damage - stable performance until collapse.

Usually, bulkhead damage, even if "hangover", will exibit flooding, damage spreading to all components in compartment, damage spreading to adjacent compartments, problems keeping depth, etc. (leading up to hull collapse)