Is this the best-out?

Chock · 04-24-07, 11:11 AM

As everyone else has suggested, Silent Hunter 3 in patched form with the (free) Grey Wolves mod is currently what most people regard as the best WW2 sub sim. (see SH3 downloads info on this site for more details)

If you prefer modern stuff, either Sub Command (or the more recent tweeked up version of it, Dangerous Waters) is the way to go. Dangerous Waters lets you mess with a several modern US nuclear subs, some Russian ones (including the Akula), as well as a frigate, ASW helicopter and ASW aircraft too (which you can fly). Be warned though, this is no eye-candy charmer, it has adequate graphics (quite nice in places) but concentrates on modern detection and weapon systems, rather than graphics oohs and aaahs. Also note that it is very in depth, so reading the (500-page plus) manual is quite necessary (although that's not as daunting as it sounds, since the 500 pages cover all the platforms and equipment in the sim).

Like the Silent Hunter section of Subsim, the Sub Command and Dangerous Waters forums offer a wealth of knowledge for the beginner. There is also a fairly large modding community for DW and SC, although these tend to be things that make it even more technical!

If you are not the sort of person who enjoys the kind of patience required for submarine attacks, you might find SC and DW a little boring (however, it does include a nice mission editor, so there are plenty of extra campaigns and scenarios to be found, I even managed to put my house in the game and attack it with cruise missiles). But, as stated, it has not so much a learning curve as a cliff, nevertheless, if you persevere with it (we are talking a few days of practice here at least), there's much enjoyment to be had from it (especially when you fire a supercavitating 250 knot Squall torpedo from your Akula, or launch a cruise missile at a target 120 miles away), and from a technical standpoint on weapons modelling, it really has no equal.

So in the end, the choice at the moment for the best is either Dangerous Waters, or SH3 with the GWX mod. SH4 will get there in the end, but expect to wait a year or so, but if eye candy is your priority SH4 is the one for you. In the end, it's whatever floats your boat.

AVGWarhawk · 04-24-07, 11:16 AM

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I'll be honest, I am not enjoying SHIV at the moment. Each mission is nervously loaded and nervously played. I am waiting for bugs to appear or some other irritating aspect of the game to raise its head and overall the game is just awkward compared to SHIII.

I was at first but not any longer after 30 some odd hours of play without issue.

CCIP · 04-24-07, 11:18 AM

For one, I already prefer SHIV to SHIII. Just a little.

Capt. WigSplitta · 04-24-07, 11:28 AM

Thanks guys for all the quick replies.I'am buy SH3 and order Dangeous waters from my STEAM account.IS there anyone here willing to be my sub mentor?If so please email me.My name is Clinton.
burrell_2142@insightbb.com
or
halfdead_2007@yahoo.com

Chock · 04-24-07, 01:06 PM

To be honest, rather than someone personally mentoring you, I suspect asking questions on this and other threads will yield you better results, and for the most part people on subsim are a friendly bunch. You'll probably find that exposing your queries to a larger number of people by posting in a forum will get you better and quicker answers, as there is a wealth of knowledge from all the subsim members just a few keypresses away.

There are people on this forum from all over the world, so you never have to wait that long for someone to come up trumps with an answer you seek. I'll certainly give it a go if I see any of your threads.

You might find that another useful site (other than subsim) for Dangerous Waters stuff is the one listed in the link below, (it features a lot of useful pdf manuals and help guides to assist you in getting your head around the stations on a modern submarine, particularly useful for sussing out the Waterfall displays and various sonar arrays).

www.subguru.com

For SH3 and SH4, there are quite a lot of tutorials, pdfs, videos etc available to help you get your head around all the bits and pieces on a WW2 sub, be sure to check out Legion's SH4 noob guide flagged up on the main subsim page. Although it is for SH4 rather than SH3, it uses the simple targetting system in options, which is essentially no different from the SH3 one when you are on easy settings, and the tactics are exactly what you should be doing for any WW2 sub sim, so that one is definitely recommended.

If you do choose to download and install the Grey Wolves mod, be aware that it comes in several separate downloads (five in total I seem to recall, plus an update) and they are all fairly large, so you might want to get on the case with downloading that now, ready for when you have SH3 installed.

Good luck and good hunting

04-24-07, 11:18 AM	#3
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04-24-07, 11:11 AM	#1
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	As everyone else has suggested, Silent Hunter 3 in patched form with the (free) Grey Wolves mod is currently what most people regard as the best WW2 sub sim. (see SH3 downloads info on this site for more details) If you prefer modern stuff, either Sub Command (or the more recent tweeked up version of it, Dangerous Waters) is the way to go. Dangerous Waters lets you mess with a several modern US nuclear subs, some Russian ones (including the Akula), as well as a frigate, ASW helicopter and ASW aircraft too (which you can fly). Be warned though, this is no eye-candy charmer, it has adequate graphics (quite nice in places) but concentrates on modern detection and weapon systems, rather than graphics oohs and aaahs. Also note that it is very in depth, so reading the (500-page plus) manual is quite necessary (although that's not as daunting as it sounds, since the 500 pages cover all the platforms and equipment in the sim). Like the Silent Hunter section of Subsim, the Sub Command and Dangerous Waters forums offer a wealth of knowledge for the beginner. There is also a fairly large modding community for DW and SC, although these tend to be things that make it even more technical! If you are not the sort of person who enjoys the kind of patience required for submarine attacks, you might find SC and DW a little boring (however, it does include a nice mission editor, so there are plenty of extra campaigns and scenarios to be found, I even managed to put my house in the game and attack it with cruise missiles). But, as stated, it has not so much a learning curve as a cliff, nevertheless, if you persevere with it (we are talking a few days of practice here at least), there's much enjoyment to be had from it (especially when you fire a supercavitating 250 knot Squall torpedo from your Akula, or launch a cruise missile at a target 120 miles away), and from a technical standpoint on weapons modelling, it really has no equal. So in the end, the choice at the moment for the best is either Dangerous Waters, or SH3 with the GWX mod. SH4 will get there in the end, but expect to wait a year or so, but if eye candy is your priority SH4 is the one for you. In the end, it's whatever floats your boat.

04-24-07, 11:28 AM	#4
Capt. WigSplitta Nub Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys for all the quick replies.I'am buy SH3 and order Dangeous waters from my STEAM account.IS there anyone here willing to be my sub mentor?If so please email me.My name is Clinton. burrell_2142@insightbb.com or halfdead_2007@yahoo.com

04-24-07, 01:06 PM	#5
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	To be honest, rather than someone personally mentoring you, I suspect asking questions on this and other threads will yield you better results, and for the most part people on subsim are a friendly bunch. You'll probably find that exposing your queries to a larger number of people by posting in a forum will get you better and quicker answers, as there is a wealth of knowledge from all the subsim members just a few keypresses away. There are people on this forum from all over the world, so you never have to wait that long for someone to come up trumps with an answer you seek. I'll certainly give it a go if I see any of your threads. You might find that another useful site (other than subsim) for Dangerous Waters stuff is the one listed in the link below, (it features a lot of useful pdf manuals and help guides to assist you in getting your head around the stations on a modern submarine, particularly useful for sussing out the Waterfall displays and various sonar arrays). www.subguru.com For SH3 and SH4, there are quite a lot of tutorials, pdfs, videos etc available to help you get your head around all the bits and pieces on a WW2 sub, be sure to check out Legion's SH4 noob guide flagged up on the main subsim page. Although it is for SH4 rather than SH3, it uses the simple targetting system in options, which is essentially no different from the SH3 one when you are on easy settings, and the tactics are exactly what you should be doing for any WW2 sub sim, so that one is definitely recommended. If you do choose to download and install the Grey Wolves mod, be aware that it comes in several separate downloads (five in total I seem to recall, plus an update) and they are all fairly large, so you might want to get on the case with downloading that now, ready for when you have SH3 installed. Good luck and good hunting