Ok screw this...

[Zengaze]

Most of the failings you post about are well known to the devs, and i'm sure there will be a patch in the near future which resoles the major bugs,--

One thing i would like to pick up on though is this nonsense of surviving your subs demise, and either being reassigned or thrown in the brig. which airhead dreamt that one up! and the screens that go along with it stink!

[Mad Professor]

Originally Posted by Zengaze

Most of the failings you post about are well known to the devs, and i'm sure there will be a patch in the near future which resoles the major bugs,--

One thing i would like to pick up on though is this nonsense of surviving your subs demise, and either being reassigned or thrown in the brig. which airhead dreamt that one up! and the screens that go along with it stink!

Thank god, its just not me.

I have an IXC/40 in SH3 with over 22 partrols with Grey wolves mod installed.
I've have since retired and thinking to start a new career in the SH4.

[Zengaze]

you should maybe consider holding off launching a full on career or you may find the bugs therein biasing you against what will be (within a very short period of time) an excellent subsim, just my 2cents-- be forewarned.

[Mad Professor]

Originally Posted by Zengaze

you should maybe consider holding off launching a full on career or you may find the bugs therein biasing you against what will be (within a very short period of time) an excellent subsim, just my 2cents-- be forewarned.

I can understand that and I'm openminded to the future, but I'm just in shock on how a game developer like Ubisoft decided that SH4 was good enough to be released in such a buggy and incomplete state. If they ever manage to keep support of this game longer then a year *SH3 support ended in 8 months after it was released* then I'm a believer.

[kiwi_2005]

Yes buggy it is, but with a few strong coffees you can overcome the issues and still have a good patrol My first 3 or 4 patrols were confusing as hell, Now i love this game, your eventually overcome the bugs and find a new way to play it.
I had the "sub sinks on dive" problem whenever i get a mission near Sea of Japan cause they consists of heading in there right in the DRAGONS DEN and deploying troops or photo recon & getting attacked by Aircraft all the way out, no mercy for a green captain and crew, so naturally there are times your have to crash dive only to sink to the bottom. In one career i couldn't get out of the area. Makes ya think tho, Man WW2 US submariners had some really dangerous/suicidal patrols that it amazes me everytime im leaving the sea of Japan, submerge and like a caged tiger feeling very threaten! And this is just a game. Imagine what it would of been like in real life.

Sry can't offer ya the real help, just dont give up on SHIV yet!

Check the mod section there are a few goodies out and coming out that will improve the gameplay till at least patch 1.2 is out.

[Mad Professor]

After taking a break, getting something to eat, and watching a movie on the FX channel, I feel ready to take it on again!

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by Mad Professor

After taking a break, getting something to eat, and watching a movie on the FX channel, I feel ready to take it on again!

Good on ya!

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by Mad Professor

After taking a break, getting something to eat, and watching a movie on the FX channel, I feel ready to take it on again!

That's the fargin' spirit!

Also.. if you quit... can I have your stuff?

[sunvalleyslim]

Mad Professor,
I feel your pain........There are bugs to be worked out. I just wanted to talk about your photo recon.
1969, my sub spent 30 days submerged in a Cambodian harbor. With 10 feet between the keel and the bottom.
During the day we shot photos of ships coming in with contbrand, to be off loaded and move down the Ho Minh Trail to Vietnam.
At night we would leave the Harbor, to bring up the snorkel to get fresh air and recharge the batteries. Only to go back into the harbor again to get the shots. It was the defining moment for Pres. Nixon to decide to bomb Cambodia...So when you silently move into position to get those photos or drop off a team, just try to remember what 70+ guys were doing down under the water just hoping they wouldn't caught....."DBF"

[Aimbot]

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

Mad Professor,
I feel your pain........There are bugs to be worked out. I just wanted to talk about your photo recon.
1969, my sub spent 30 days submerged in a Cambodian harbor. With 10 feet between the keel and the bottom.
During the day we shot photos of ships coming in with contbrand, to be off loaded and move down the Ho Minh Trail to Vietnam.
At night we would leave the Harbor, to bring up the snorkel to get fresh air and recharge the batteries. Only to go back into the harbor again to get the shots. It was the defining moment for Pres. Nixon to decide to bomb Cambodia...So when you silently move into position to get those photos or drop off a team, just try to remember what 70+ guys were doing down under the water just hoping they wouldn't caught....."DBF"

Out of curiosity, what did you guys do? It seems to me like the only people honestly buisy would be in the control room. Were the rest of you napping or trying to will yorselves from being discovered?

[Engel]

There is a Mod that reduces the frequency of those fu*peeep* Air attacks. I would not leave Port without it.
Another hint: Leave port. Go surfaced until your get attacked by an Aircraft. That means you are in Range of an Airbase. Now Dive at dawn to 20m (66 feet), set speed to slow, surface at dusk and go standard ahead.

Works great for me.

[Steeltrap]

Originally Posted by Engel

Another hint: Leave port. Go surfaced until your get attacked by an Aircraft. That means you are in Range of an Airbase. Now Dive at dawn to 20m (66 feet), set speed to slow, surface at dusk and go standard ahead.

Works great for me.

Diving at or just before/after dawn was the doctrine employed by USA subs.

Use the map to see where air cover is - usually anywhere West of 150E longitude.

Reduce time compression - my radar sucks at anything over 256x, and is generally only completely reliable at 64x. Even then there are some curious blind spots. Oh, and SD radar shouldn't give bearings either as it was A-scope in nature.

In short, game is pretty crap now from a quality point of view. Will see what happens with 1.2. Go to the mod forum and have a read - many problems are being fixed there.

Cheers

The forced retirement issue is perhaps the biggest issue making SH4 unplayable.

Logic would dictate it would be high on the list of "things to do" in the 1.2 patch.

Counter that vs the performance of the dev's thus far and conclude it prolly wont be fixed.

The crew management & development was a key factor in player attachement to SH3. Take that away and you may as well be playing a nintendo game.

[joea]

Originally Posted by Grunt

The forced retirement issue is perhaps the biggest issue making SH4 unplayable.

Logic would dictate it would be high on the list of "things to do" in the 1.2 patch.

Counter that vs the performance of the dev's thus far and conclude it prolly wont be fixed.

The crew management & development was a key factor in player attachement to SH3. Take that away and you may as well be playing a nintendo game.

Well sub commanders didn't go through the whole war...it has already been mentioned and is not a bug as such.

[sunvalleyslim]

Originally Posted by Aimbot

Out of curiosity, what did you guys do? It seems to me like the only people honestly buisy would be in the control room. Were the rest of you napping or trying to will yorselves from being discovered?

Aimbot,
We worked 4 hours on and 8 hours off. So yes you were busy only on watch. But sometimes walking through the control room and seeing only 10 feet of water below the keel and knowing you were only in 60 ft of water was cause to be alarmed....we could just imagine some plane looking down and seeing us.