[REL] Tougher Aircraft

CaptainKobuk · 04-13-07, 10:16 PM

This MOD would bring a lot of respect back into the game for enemy aircraft. In real life no submarine crew made a sport of shooting down a plane if they had the time to safely dodge it.

I'm not sure how tough Jap planes were. A USA B17 could take a massive amount of damage and still fight.

Camaero · 04-14-07, 02:09 AM

Most jap planes had no self sealing fuel tanks and would light on fire quite easily.

Just curious, at what point would a US sub engage a E/A on the surface? If they spotted one coming straight towards them, would they dive or take evasive actions and man the AA guns?

shad43 · 04-14-07, 01:30 PM

I agree with both of the posts above...in all my reading US Subs only engaged an aircraft as a last resort.

My Father In Law was a Marine Raider during the war, at one point he was wounded
and spent a few months aboard a hospital ship, after being cleared for duty his unit was some distance away so until they caught up he was assigned to AA duty on a
20mm cannon, he had occasion to fire at several Jap planes (yes they did attack hospital ships, bastiges) he even downed two Zeke's, he exploded one at close range
with a short burst from the gun and the other he hit many times before it finaly crashed into the water not more than a few yards from the ship, riddled with holes.

Obviously it depends where the plane is hit on how quickly it will be destroyed.

In game terms it's just to easy, maybe the guns are to powerful, but I decided that just upping the hp of the planes would help.

This mod may not even work as well as I intended - they may well still be to easy to down, but it's a start.

As a side note "Pop" as we call him was once deployed from a Gato class sub, he can't remember the subs number unfortunatly.

Cheers

Stew U-582 · 04-28-07, 07:02 AM

Didnt You guys know,
Jap planes were made from matchsticks and rice paper,
or so they said.

Keep up the good work guys , nice mod
Its great to get these stand alone versions so they can be incorpirated with other mods easily

Hartmann · 04-28-07, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stew U-582

Didnt You guys know,
Jap planes were made from matchsticks and rice paper,
or so they said.

Keep up the good work guys , nice mod
Its great to get these stand alone versions so they can be incorpirated with other mods easily

Zero aircraft don´t have any armor plate and not sealing fuel tanks , they have a very good maneuvering and climbing rates but more vulnerable to gunfire than american fighters

Seafireliv · 07-07-07, 05:12 AM

New here. just wanted to add that while I`m always glad to take down an attacking enemy plane it does indeed appear too easy to shoot them down. I used to always instantly dive in fear when one appears, but after my first couple of easy shot downs I don`t even worry about it. They often don`t survive the first pass. This can`t be right.

I always had the impression that every submariner dived first, fought later. japanese planes were fragile compared to Allied planes, but even with an F4F shooting them it took close range 150m or less of fire into a zero or bomber to break it up, set it alight.

A sub is not a fighter shooting from 150 metres. such shoot downs should be much rarer. When an aircraft is that close to a sub it`s only for a fraction of the time as it passes by.

Thanks for the mod. Hope it does the trick.

AkbarGulag · 03-25-08, 11:52 PM

Does anyone have a copy of this mod available. I am specifically interested in the aircraft.zon files.

Thanks in advance,

Akbar

04-14-07, 02:09 AM	#2
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Most jap planes had no self sealing fuel tanks and would light on fire quite easily. Just curious, at what point would a US sub engage a E/A on the surface? If they spotted one coming straight towards them, would they dive or take evasive actions and man the AA guns? __________________

03-25-08, 11:52 PM	#7
AkbarGulag Samurai Navy Join Date: May 2007 Location: cfgdatsimZOMGddstgasns Posts: 571 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 1	Does anyone have a copy of this mod available. I am specifically interested in the aircraft.zon files. Thanks in advance, Akbar __________________ "6 days into his patrol, the first enemy ship was spotted... a trawler... ...It was at this point, Captain AkbarGulag realised how green his crew was..."

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04-13-07, 10:16 PM	#1
CaptainKobuk Helmsman Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 107 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This MOD would bring a lot of respect back into the game for enemy aircraft. In real life no submarine crew made a sport of shooting down a plane if they had the time to safely dodge it. I'm not sure how tough Jap planes were. A USA B17 could take a massive amount of damage and still fight.

04-14-07, 01:30 PM	#3
shad43 Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: six feet under Posts: 301 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	I agree with both of the posts above...in all my reading US Subs only engaged an aircraft as a last resort. My Father In Law was a Marine Raider during the war, at one point he was wounded and spent a few months aboard a hospital ship, after being cleared for duty his unit was some distance away so until they caught up he was assigned to AA duty on a 20mm cannon, he had occasion to fire at several Jap planes (yes they did attack hospital ships, bastiges) he even downed two Zeke's, he exploded one at close range with a short burst from the gun and the other he hit many times before it finaly crashed into the water not more than a few yards from the ship, riddled with holes. Obviously it depends where the plane is hit on how quickly it will be destroyed. In game terms it's just to easy, maybe the guns are to powerful, but I decided that just upping the hp of the planes would help. This mod may not even work as well as I intended - they may well still be to easy to down, but it's a start. As a side note "Pop" as we call him was once deployed from a Gato class sub, he can't remember the subs number unfortunatly. Cheers

04-28-07, 07:02 AM	#4
Stew U-582 Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 266 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 0	Didnt You guys know, Jap planes were made from matchsticks and rice paper, or so they said. Keep up the good work guys , nice mod Its great to get these stand alone versions so they can be incorpirated with other mods easily

07-07-07, 05:12 AM	#6
Seafireliv Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 93 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	New here. just wanted to add that while I`m always glad to take down an attacking enemy plane it does indeed appear too easy to shoot them down. I used to always instantly dive in fear when one appears, but after my first couple of easy shot downs I don`t even worry about it. They often don`t survive the first pass. This can`t be right. I always had the impression that every submariner dived first, fought later. japanese planes were fragile compared to Allied planes, but even with an F4F shooting them it took close range 150m or less of fire into a zero or bomber to break it up, set it alight. A sub is not a fighter shooting from 150 metres. such shoot downs should be much rarer. When an aircraft is that close to a sub it`s only for a fraction of the time as it passes by. Thanks for the mod. Hope it does the trick.