[TEC] I made an interesting discovery regarding hull failure

[Jungman]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

After the experience i just had, i woudlnt recommend upping the hitpoints. Least of all on the bulkhead.

Behold, the results of a circular running torpedo


This, is what should be left of my engine room. I should have been sunk, but wasn't.

Yup, i had alot of engine damage, but the bulkhead was unscratched, and i had no flooding. All i did, was take the bulkhead hitpoints, and change it from 100, to 400. I used 400 because it seemed logical to make the bulkhead as tough as the compartments in the zones.cfg. Said compartments i changed to 400 hps, because thats what it was in SH3.


I honestly don't think bulkhead hitpoints should be raised past 200, and i mean seriously, look at the damage thats being rendered. Nobody survives that. My boat should be at the bottom of the Java sea right now.

:rotfl:

I would agree. I use to change the HULL value total inside the submarine DAT file to get a decent crush without that happening in SH3.

The bulkhead is something new in SH4, the real overall total Pressure Hull value should be inside the DAT file if it like SH3. That is the number that goes 'lower' with damage. It was what was getting displayed as a perctange of hull integrity in SH3.

[heartc]

I'm not a modder, but wasn't the problem with SHIII everyone was rightfully bitching about when it came out that the Boat was a swimming Tiger tank? I would have thought the number of hitpoints had something to do with that, so it takes me by some surprise that now there's a fuss about having only 25% of the hitpoints in SHIV.
I would think iRL it was always a bad idea to submerge even "just" 20 meters after taking a shell hit or something to the hull...and I thought SHIV is too easy, anyway?
Can you now sink destroyers again by ramming them, or could you already with the stock hitpoints? I never tested that myself.

[joea]

Originally Posted by heartc

I'm not a modder, but wasn't the problem with SHIII everyone was rightfully bitching about when it came out that the Boat was a swimming Tiger tank? I would have thought the number of hitpoints had something to do with that, so it takes me by some surprise that now there's a fuss about having only 25% of the hitpoints in SHIV.
I would think iRL it was always a bad idea to submerge even "just" 20 meters after taking a shell hit or something to the hull...and I thought SHIV is too easy, anyway?
Can you now sink destroyers again by ramming them, or could you already with the stock hitpoints? I never tested that myself.

QFT excellent point.

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by Jungman

Sorry, it is still there. Wierd. It says the jpg picture is a mask for the trojan horse. Maybe my Antivira virus detector is over the top.

Originally Posted by Kaleu_Mihoo

I'm sorry to say, but for me it's still there. The same "banker", nothing changed.
regards

edit: Thanks Gizzmoe for sorting this out.
Now back to topic

Mmmm... it is the first time i hear about a virus can be masked by a .jpg files, it is just a map fo points with determined 8bits colours in each one point.

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

It´s a false alarm.

I think so... i pass my NOD over it and nothing happens.

I look into my Firefox NoScript and only have subsim.com and a blocked Googlesyndicatin.com, i sopupose it is from the serachbbar engine in my Firefox.

Nothing more...

But i use, Ad-Aware, SpyWrareBlaster, and SpyGuard.

NOD, and AdBlock Plus 0.7.2.4 and NoScript 1.1.4.6.070317 as Firefox Add-ons....

[Redwine]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I honestly don't think bulkhead hitpoints should be raised past 200, and i mean seriously, look at the damage thats being rendered. Nobody survives that. My boat should be at the bottom of the Java sea right now.

Not sure at all, Ducimus, damage rendered, may be nothing related to the damage received.

Any way a torp must to sink a sub...

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by Jungman

:rotfl:

I would agree. I use to change the HULL value total inside the submarine DAT file to get a decent crush without that happening in SH3.

The bulkhead is something new in SH4, the real overall total Pressure Hull value should be inside the DAT file if it like SH3. That is the number that goes 'lower' with damage. It was what was getting displayed as a perctange of hull integrity in SH3.

I thought the sub HULL hitpoints were in the NSS_*.zon file ?
Anyway, I ran with 1800 hp last night, all components had stock HP and armor. I got the unrepairable AA that usually results in recurring damage and the heavy tail when submerging. Interestingly, I no longer got the heavy tail - probably because the flooding threshold % was never reached. I did have reoccuring damage as I went to 200 ft, so I resurfaved and repaired. How does going to 200 ft cause a suddent outbreak of damage to antennae and other non crushable objects ?

I DO NOT think the sub needs to run with x6 hull hp. But it allows you to live longer and make observations about what is happening.

I am thinking about making the AA invunerable and or easily destroyed to see if this is the root of the heavy tail - invisible flooding - and recurring damage. My suspicion is that the bug is related to AA damage.

Another idea is to increase Crit flood % in problem compartments in leiu of upping hp to avoid flooding. I REALLY want to avoid upping HP if at all possible.

[Ducimus]

I thought the sub HULL hitpoints were in the NSS_*.zon file ?

Ordinarly yeah, but in my game i didnt touch those. The bulkhead seems to be acting seperatly.

Here's its block from the equipment.upc file

ID=Bulkhead
NameDisplayable= Bulkhead
FunctionalType= EqFTypeBulkhead
EquipmentInterval= NULL, NULL
EquipmentSlotType=Wall
ExternalLinkName3D= NULL
Hitpoints= 200
DamageDescription1= NULL,	0,	0.2,	0,	1,	1,	Minor Leak,			0,	0,	NULL,	0,	0.2,	0.2
DamageDescription2= NULL,	0.2,	0.6,	0,	1,	1,	Large hole,			0,	0,	NULL, 	0,	0.2,	0.5
DamageDescription3= NULL,	0.6,	1,	0,	1,	1,	Wall breached,			0,	0,	NULL,	0,	0.2,	1

Default is 100 hps, same as 99% of all equipment.

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ordinarly yeah, but in my game i didnt touch those. The bulkhead seems to be acting seperatly.

Here's its block from the equipment.upc file

ID=Bulkhead
NameDisplayable= Bulkhead
FunctionalType= EqFTypeBulkhead
EquipmentInterval= NULL, NULL
EquipmentSlotType=Wall
ExternalLinkName3D= NULL
Hitpoints= 200
DamageDescription1= NULL,    0,    0.2,    0,    1,    1,    Minor Leak,            0,    0,    NULL,    0,    0.2,    0.2
DamageDescription2= NULL,    0.2,    0.6,    0,    1,    1,    Large hole,            0,    0,    NULL,     0,    0.2,    0.5
DamageDescription3= NULL,    0.6,    1,    0,    1,    1,    Wall breached,            0,    0,    NULL,    0,    0.2,    1

Default is 100 hps, same as 99% of all equipment.

Ah, there is the bulkhead.

OK, so what happens if you change leak status to anythgn under .75, .75-.90 as a large hole, and .90 up as a breach. I will find out

[Ducimus]

Im not sure what happends if you change those, but i DID find a good method of testing damage on the sub. Tweak your MK14 torpedo to have a 100% chance of being a circular runner, then shoot at a depth of 15 feet or so in the torpedo practice mission of the sub school. Its quick loading, and its a reliable way to incur damage on your sub, allowing you to gauge the results of your tweaking.

One thing ive noticed is, at first, its just the effectied compartment that's suffering. Theres like this chain reaction, and the other compartments, should you submerge again, will knock over like domino's. Also, even if surfaced, if your hit towards the bow, you will eventually be bow heavy. I ended up running that boat in reverse to keep it afloat.

Anyway, it makes a good test scenario.