Scientologic offensive in Germany

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by KevinB

Scientology brainwashes you. Any cult (or religion) that asks for a percentage of your salary is out of order. I'm not sure the Kabbalists fall into this category but maybe Madonna can answer this.

Kabbalism is a spiritual trend. It is not a religion on its own. It is the mystical part of Judaism.

And the ones who are dishing out all over the place are just out to make a buck. However, I don't see anything wrong with it overall, as it's simply a trendy fad and method taught generically to supposedly deal with the spiritual side of life, regardless of one's religious affiliation.

There is a tremendous amount of contradiction in saying one believes in what is supposedly Kabbalah, while not being Jewish.

I view it as no different than the trend in major corporations nowdays to attend Indian guru and swahmi get-togethers for various management disciplines. Will it help? Could be. Could be not.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by RedMenace

May I ask, what's the difference, in essence, between scientology and every other religion ever? You look at scientology and hiss, but I don't think scientology is a problem in particular. It's religion in general.

many governments rightfully so recognize Scientology for the business scam based cult that it is.

Otherwise, in contrast to you, I think the problem is aetheism in general.

[UglyMowgli]

Originally Posted by Skybird

</p>Really? That is new to me. Scientology at schools is a growin problem here.

One of my friend must sign a delcaration saying he was not in contatc with the Scientotlogy when he had to work with the german army as contractor.

Here a text about this, sorry iin french

http://www.prevensectes.com/ac1999.htm#allemagne091

[Letum]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I think the problem is aetheism in general.

I'm not a atheist, but I don't see any problem with atheism.
What do you think is wrong with it?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

seriously after reading these news articles.. someone is getting angry..., but i aint gonna unleash it out on the forums here.. im already on thin ice aftewr my last few escapades, time to go find te scientology church and egg it.


a for the hell of it


permission to to talk really badly about scientology and how they are *************************************??

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Letum

I'm not a atheist, but I don't see any problem with atheism.
What do you think is wrong with it?

Its' not just atheism but that's the ultimate belief which essentially negates the possibility of objectively defining what is good or bad. There are no holds barred. Morals and laws can be created, changed and dismissed at anyone's whim, with the only limitation being what might the fellow next to me do if anything goes.

Law of the jungle. Survival of the fittest. That's what life boils down to.

[Bertgang]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It is not recognized as a religion. For reasons of tax relieves, it fights to get that recognition, but so far failed.

Sad to say, by decision of an idiot sitting in a fiscal commission, they reached this goal in Italy. So they can say "the our is a religion" and think "so we save money".

Anyway, the best description of Scientology was given by Isaac Asimov, in an old rewiew maybe still available on the web.
Nothing more than a sort of slot machine for rich and stupid people, as development of a not-so-great-background-idea for science fiction novels.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Its' not just atheism but that's the ultimate belief which essentially negates the possibility of objectively defining what is good or bad.

And religion offers an objective point of view?
This may be aa problem with atheism, but organised religion doesn't solve it.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

And religion offers an objective point of view?

It potentially could, if a given religion is absolute truth. :hmm:

This may be aa problem with atheism, but organised religion doesn't solve it.

Mine does.

But that's another story.

My main point here was negating religion does not instantly make atheism smell like roses, that's all.

[porphy]

My main point here was negating religion does not instantly make atheism smell like roses, that's all.

Very true, some philosophers associated with logical positivism used to point out that the statement "there is a god" is meningless in an empirical sense, and so is "there is no god". Which makes perfect sense.

Scientology is blasphemy to every sound mind. I have personally seen a family father waste all his money, including his wife and childrens personal savings, and what not to, feed that greedy organisation. He ended up on the sofa feeling "good" and Clear (concept within Scientology) with lifeless eyes, and doing nothing.

cheers porphy

[Fish]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Its' not just atheism but that's the ultimate belief which essentially negates the possibility of objectively defining what is good or bad. There are no holds barred. Morals and laws can be created, changed and dismissed at anyone's whim, with the only limitation being what might the fellow next to me do if anything goes.

Law of the jungle. Survival of the fittest. That's what life boils down to.

What a bull!

I am atheist, my children are and they are perhaps better in moral as you are.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Fish

What a bull!

I am atheist, my children are and they are perhaps better in moral as you are.

I was referring to logical and rational potential, not stating that one's being an atheist asures their being immoral.

I'm sure your kids are tops!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

many governments rightfully so recognize Scientology for the business scam based cult that it is.

Otherwise, in contrast to you, I think the problem is aetheism in general.

the problem is materialism, I think. It is very earthly powers and goals the >organisation< of scientology is looking for - while it is covered by brainwashing the >individual< to make it believe it is about his/her individual spiritual wellbeing and that for that submitting to the mindcontrol of the organisation is a must. Many atheists nevertheless are highly religious people - and still are hostile towards institutions like scientology.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

My main point here was negating religion does not instantly make atheism smell like roses, that's all.

Of course. What i like about atheism is that it doesn't have the weighty significance of theism. I don't believe there is a God, I had a cheese salad yesterday.
Fundie atheists are just as irritating as fundie theists

http://xkcd.com/c154.html

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

What i like about atheism is that it doesn't have the weighty significance of theism.

If atheism is the truth, then you can like or dislike it - everything goes. But if some form of theism is the truth, then you may have to weigh differently your likes and dislikes in relation to such truth.

Which is somewhat my earlier point.