[REQ] Medals & Ranks?

Tigrone · 03-23-07, 12:48 AM

Has anyone looked at the, yuk, medals and , shudder, ranks? The ranks are not accurate at all for the time. The medals are just cracker jack box trinkets.

Can we lose the 2 top Chiefs, these ranks did not exist then, and gain a Lt. Commander and a Warrant? Probably not though, these are probably hard coded, but could the 2 senior Chiefs become Warrants 1 & 2, if there have to be 9 enlisted ranks?

The seaman ratings are not quite right either .

The medals:
Campaign Star look vaugly familiar but I don't have clue what it is.
The Submarine Service medal looks sort of like commendation
The Medal of Valor looks a lot like a Soviet Order of Glory
The Victory Cross looks most like a George Cross
The Wound Medal is simply a generic Purple Heart like thing without George.
The Patrol Star models a Silver Star pretty closely.

I wonder if some one official objected to real US decorations being used? I think this kind of thing is just childish.

Sheppard · 03-23-07, 01:19 AM

Or perhaps they didn't do that much research?

Aimbot · 03-23-07, 01:23 AM

Is childish the right word when we all spend so much time pretending to be submarine skippers?

elanaiba · 03-23-07, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheppard

Or perhaps they didn't do that much research?

Right....

Barkhorn1x · 03-23-07, 06:53 AM

There are no rules that I know of restricting the depiction of actual medals - and dozens of games have them. Some are even NAMED after the medal!

No offense devs., but what we were given is not very close to historical accuracy.

Barkhorn1x · 03-23-07, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aimbot

Is childish the right word when we all spend so much time pretending to be submarine skippers?

Not as long as you are doing it in a historical context!!

Dowly · 03-23-07, 06:56 AM

You can always mod the medals to your liking. I dont know why the devs decided to do what they did with the medals, but in the end, could someone show me a agreement signed by the devs that EVERYTHING in the game will be historically accurate?

Barkhorn1x · 03-23-07, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

You can always mod the medals to your liking. I dont know why the devs decided to do what they did with the medals, but in the end, could someone show me a agreement signed by the devs that EVERYTHING in the game will be historically accurate?

Point taken...BUT (and you KNEW there would be)...these are medals that are pretty easily researched and reproduced. I don't know about you but when I do something heroic in game for country "X" , I want to be awarded the appropriate decoration. So...give me a US Navy Cross that looks like an actual US Navy cross - not some lame generic version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Cross

BTW, if I were a graphic artist I wouldn't be posting about it working on a fix.

Dowly · 03-23-07, 08:32 AM

Yeh, I get your point. I´m not familiar with the US Navy medals, so I cant really know which should be which in SHIV. I could change them for you, but I need to know which medals I need to use.

I know the Purple Heart doesnt have the start, but the guy. I think I know which one should be the Navy Cross, but the other´s are odd to me.

So, if you could PM me a detailed list of the names of the actual medals and their counterparts in the game, I would be more than happy to make the mod.

Barkhorn1x · 03-23-07, 09:11 AM

Dowly has graciously volunteered to do a medal pack. We discussed and thought the best way to proceed was to put a list together of existing awards - and what they should be - and issue for comment from the forum before Dowly get's started.

So...I did some research - did not take long - and I present to you the following list:

Quote:

1. Campaign Star = American Campaign Medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Campaign_Medal

2. The Submarine Service medal = there wasn’t any so let’s substitute the Navy Good Conduct medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...ductMedals.jpg

3. The Medal of Valor = Navy Distinguished Service Medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Di..._Service_Medal

4. Victory Cross = Navy Cross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Cross

5. The Wound Medal = authentic Purple Heart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart

6. The Patrol Star = authentic Silver Star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Star

These are existing awards - I believe we need to add a couple - see below - but we will have to modify the actual award structure. Can anyone assist w/ that task?

Quote:

Need to add:
a. Congressional Medal of Honor = Navy version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Medal_of_Honor

B. Bronze Star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Star_Medal

Thanks.

Lukemb · 03-23-07, 01:39 PM

The real US Navy medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Gui\Medals

The fake medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Data

located in 2 files:
AwardsItems_1.dds
AwardsItems_2.dds

You might be able to use a DDS graphics editor to copy and paste the real ones on the 2 files the game is using.

Hope this helps.

Barkhorn1x · 03-23-07, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukemb

The real US Navy medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Gui\Medals

The fake medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Data

located in 2 files:
AwardsItems_1.dds
AwardsItems_2.dds

You might be able to use a DDS graphics editor to copy and paste the real ones on the 2 files the game is using.

Hope this helps.

Not sure I follow - there are actually 2 sets of medals? Authentic and not?

Please confirm.

Spadefish · 03-23-07, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x

Dowly has graciously volunteered to do a medal pack. We discussed and thought the best way to proceed was to put a list together of existing awards - and what they should be - and issue for comment from the forum before Dowly get's started.

So...I did some research - did not take long - and I present to you the following list:

Quote:

1. Campaign Star = American Campaign Medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Campaign_Medal

2. The Submarine Service medal = there wasn’t any so let’s substitute the Navy Good Conduct medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...ductMedals.jpg

3. The Medal of Valor = Navy Distinguished Service Medal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Di..._Service_Medal

4. Victory Cross = Navy Cross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Cross

5. The Wound Medal = authentic Purple Heart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart

6. The Patrol Star = authentic Silver Star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Star

These are existing awards - I believe we need to add a couple - see below - but we will have to modify the actual award structure. Can anyone assist w/ that task?

Quote:

Need to add:
a. Congressional Medal of Honor = Navy version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Medal_of_Honor

B. Bronze Star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Star_Medal

Thanks.

The campaign medal should be the Asiatic-Pacific Theater Campaign Medal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatic...Campaign_Medal

And I believe that since 'Dolphins' symbolise sub service maybe the Navy Commendation Medal w/ bronze 'V' device for valor can be substituted for the Submarine Service Medal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Commendation_Medal

Lukemb · 03-23-07, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukemb

The real US Navy medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Gui\Medals

The fake medals are here:

C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Data

located in 2 files:
AwardsItems_1.dds
AwardsItems_2.dds

You might be able to use a DDS graphics editor to copy and paste the real ones on the 2 files the game is using.

Hope this helps.

Not sure I follow - there are actually 2 sets of medals? Authentic and not?

Please confirm.

Yes, there's a file with the graphics of the real life US medals that is not currently implemented in the game.

Probably the DEVs created that file/graphics to be used in a future patch or to be used as a Mod.

The medals currently used in SH4 1.1 do not exist in real life.

Zero Niner · 03-23-07, 09:52 PM

Strange. Why go through all the trouble to research and produce the graphic images, and *not* use them, whilst expend further effort to come up with generic ones?
There's more to this than meets the eye... :hmm:

03-23-07, 12:48 AM	#1
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	[REQ] Medals & Ranks? Has anyone looked at the, yuk, medals and , shudder, ranks? The ranks are not accurate at all for the time. The medals are just cracker jack box trinkets. Can we lose the 2 top Chiefs, these ranks did not exist then, and gain a Lt. Commander and a Warrant? Probably not though, these are probably hard coded, but could the 2 senior Chiefs become Warrants 1 & 2, if there have to be 9 enlisted ranks? The seaman ratings are not quite right either . The medals: Campaign Star look vaugly familiar but I don't have clue what it is. The Submarine Service medal looks sort of like commendation The Medal of Valor looks a lot like a Soviet Order of Glory The Victory Cross looks most like a George Cross The Wound Medal is simply a generic Purple Heart like thing without George. The Patrol Star models a Silver Star pretty closely. I wonder if some one official objected to real US decorations being used? I think this kind of thing is just childish. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

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03-23-07, 01:19 AM	#2
Sheppard Captain of the Nautilus Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 146 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 0	Or perhaps they didn't do that much research?

03-23-07, 01:23 AM	#3
Aimbot Medic Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 160 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Is childish the right word when we all spend so much time pretending to be submarine skippers?

03-23-07, 06:53 AM	#5
Barkhorn1x Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Davie, FL Grid DM 23 Posts: 544 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	There are no rules that I know of restricting the depiction of actual medals - and dozens of games have them. Some are even NAMED after the medal! No offense devs., but what we were given is not very close to historical accuracy.

03-23-07, 06:56 AM	#7
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	You can always mod the medals to your liking. I dont know why the devs decided to do what they did with the medals, but in the end, could someone show me a agreement signed by the devs that EVERYTHING in the game will be historically accurate?

03-23-07, 08:32 AM	#9
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Yeh, I get your point. I´m not familiar with the US Navy medals, so I cant really know which should be which in SHIV. I could change them for you, but I need to know which medals I need to use. I know the Purple Heart doesnt have the start, but the guy. I think I know which one should be the Navy Cross, but the other´s are odd to me. So, if you could PM me a detailed list of the names of the actual medals and their counterparts in the game, I would be more than happy to make the mod.

03-23-07, 01:39 PM	#11
Lukemb Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 48 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The real US Navy medals are here: C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Gui\Medals The fake medals are here: C:\SH4 folder\Data\Menu\Data located in 2 files: AwardsItems_1.dds AwardsItems_2.dds You might be able to use a DDS graphics editor to copy and paste the real ones on the 2 files the game is using. Hope this helps.

03-23-07, 09:52 PM	#15
Zero Niner Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,033 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	Strange. Why go through all the trouble to research and produce the graphic images, and not use them, whilst expend further effort to come up with generic ones? There's more to this than meets the eye... :hmm: