[TEC] Adding New Ships to SHIV?

AG124 · 03-21-07, 02:10 PM

Good news so far - at least nothing appears to be hardcoded so far.

BTW - elanaiba, could you possibly make a contribution over at the Confirmed SHIV Ships thread in the general SHIV section?

I am curious as to what ships are really included and don't want to wait until tomorrow.

elanaiba · 03-21-07, 02:12 PM

No way,

The wondering is part of the fun of waiting for the game

Dan

ref · 03-21-07, 02:31 PM

Dan, can you elaborate a bit on the dat file changes?.
I haven't been able to take a look at the game, there's a huge delay with the releases here in Argentina, I may have to order it overseas to get it on a reasonable time

Ref

Barkhorn1x · 03-21-07, 02:43 PM

Dan:

Thanks for the info. - sounds good.

...and thanks for the patch!

elanaiba · 03-21-07, 02:44 PM

Out of my head its hard since I'm not a programmer guy, right?

There should be a new controler in the dat, called "Unified Render Controler", with the following properties (I'll also paste the comments I can see in my tools):

Medium Lod Distance - Enable bump map and caustics if distance less than this value (SH metrics 1 = 10 meters)

LowLod distance - If distance greater than this value, only the sun is considered (SH metrics 1 = 10 meters)

Bumpenable YES/NO
SpecularMaskEnable YES/NO
SelfOccEnable YES/NO - enable the self occlusion map - specified normally in the roster file
UseSpecularFromDiffuse YES/NO (from the diffuse texture they mean)
Caustics- this being the old controler from SH3, moved here under URC.

I'll try to get more details tomorrow

.

ref · 03-21-07, 02:53 PM

Thank you very much

I'm sorry to be a pain in the lower part of the back, but is it ok if I pass you a few more tech questions (I know it's not your area, but perhaps you can gather the info) via PM, mostly about sh3 files ?

Ref

AG124 · 03-21-07, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

No way,

The wondering is part of the fun of waiting for the game

Dan

Actually, you are right. The first thing I always do when buying a new Subsim is check out what ships are included - that is actually kind of a tradition of sorts for me. I suppose I would like it to be somewhat of a surprise.

I just can't help but be a little curious as to what is actually included - the Japanese carrier roster seems a little disappointing to me from what I have heard in preliminary reports though.

On the subject of shipping files, I too would like to hear anything else you can tell us. From what you are saying so far, I have a good feeling that it will not be too long before someone else here (maybe Ref?) figures out how to add more ships to this game. But the more information you can give us for now, the better.

Are the other file formats similar to those in SHIII? For example, I know the damage model is more complex, but is it in a .zon file? And within other files, such as the .dats, are there any other new properties - maybe new node types or all external texture parts (in the new directory you mentioned)?

tater · 03-22-07, 01:13 AM

Assuming this is a thread to make suggestions for shipping, here goes.

One, the "sampans" in SH4 look more like Junks. Not a huge issue, but the name "sampan" is not appropriate.

The fishing boats are close to a very needed type of small cargo carrier called a "Sea Truck" (Kaiju Torakku) 100 to 1000 tons. There were steel as well as wooden (on the smaller end of the tonnage range mentioned) versions. The USN term was "Sugar Dog." Smaller than 100 tons was considered a "lugger."

I have loads of images (many from ONI 208-J sup2).

I also have a pile of japanese modelling magazines with a series of articles about scratch built japanese merchant ship models with pictures. I've been meaning to scan them, and If it would help, I could.

tater

03-21-07, 02:10 PM	#1
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	SHIV Shipping Good news so far - at least nothing appears to be hardcoded so far. BTW - elanaiba, could you possibly make a contribution over at the Confirmed SHIV Ships thread in the general SHIV section? I am curious as to what ships are really included and don't want to wait until tomorrow. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

03-21-07, 02:31 PM	#3
ref Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina Posts: 871 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Dan, can you elaborate a bit on the dat file changes?. I haven't been able to take a look at the game, there's a huge delay with the releases here in Argentina, I may have to order it overseas to get it on a reasonable time Ref __________________

03-21-07, 02:53 PM	#6
ref Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina Posts: 871 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thank you very much I'm sorry to be a pain in the lower part of the back, but is it ok if I pass you a few more tech questions (I know it's not your area, but perhaps you can gather the info) via PM, mostly about sh3 files ? Ref __________________

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03-21-07, 02:12 PM	#2
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	No way, The wondering is part of the fun of waiting for the game Dan

03-21-07, 02:43 PM	#4
Barkhorn1x Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Davie, FL Grid DM 23 Posts: 544 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Dan: Thanks for the info. - sounds good. ...and thanks for the patch!

03-21-07, 02:44 PM	#5
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Out of my head its hard since I'm not a programmer guy, right? There should be a new controler in the dat, called "Unified Render Controler", with the following properties (I'll also paste the comments I can see in my tools): Medium Lod Distance - Enable bump map and caustics if distance less than this value (SH metrics 1 = 10 meters) LowLod distance - If distance greater than this value, only the sun is considered (SH metrics 1 = 10 meters) Bumpenable YES/NO SpecularMaskEnable YES/NO SelfOccEnable YES/NO - enable the self occlusion map - specified normally in the roster file UseSpecularFromDiffuse YES/NO (from the diffuse texture they mean) Caustics- this being the old controler from SH3, moved here under URC. I'll try to get more details tomorrow .

03-22-07, 01:13 AM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Assuming this is a thread to make suggestions for shipping, here goes. One, the "sampans" in SH4 look more like Junks. Not a huge issue, but the name "sampan" is not appropriate. The fishing boats are close to a very needed type of small cargo carrier called a "Sea Truck" (Kaiju Torakku) 100 to 1000 tons. There were steel as well as wooden (on the smaller end of the tonnage range mentioned) versions. The USN term was "Sugar Dog." Smaller than 100 tons was considered a "lugger." I have loads of images (many from ONI 208-J sup2). I also have a pile of japanese modelling magazines with a series of articles about scratch built japanese merchant ship models with pictures. I've been meaning to scan them, and If it would help, I could. tater