SH3 + GWX better than SH4 ?

[Corsair]

Besides personal tastes for one theater over the other, I think it's difficult (and not fair...) to compare a sim that's been out and heavily modded for a long time and another on release date (with what it looks like a few bugs from reading in the SH4 forum).
Once SH4 has received the necessary patches and has been modded for a few months you can then compare them.

[It762]

well sh4 got dedicated developers for a at least 1.5 yrs as well ?

[Corsair]

Originally Posted by It762

well sh4 got dedicated developers for a at least 1.5 yrs as well ?

Don't tell me you still believe in Santa Claus...

[joea]

Originally Posted by Corsair

Don't tell me you still believe in Santa Claus...

:rotfl:

Agree with your first post as well, not a fair comparison. Still I think despite some bugs, including some that were not real bugs, SH4 has potential.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by It762

well sh4 got dedicated developers for a at least 1.5 yrs as well ?

I think that thats a pretty good point. The GWX team nad NYGM team put out pretty extensive mods (no offense to other mods) and the guys who did it had other jobs and lives to live.

The developers are paid to get the job done so if SH4 is lacking in much the same way that SH3 was then there is room to complain. Between the already existing game engine and the huge amount of community feedback they should be able to make a damn fine game. Oh, and they have the bloody source code too! Imagine how much easier GWX could have been to do with that level of control.

I think its totally fair to judge a fresh new game compared to another one thats well seasoned if the new game is the successor to the one which its compared to. The secret is progress. There shouldn't be an SH4 if it doesn't progress the Silent Hunter franchise.

Also when it comes down to it asking which is a better game is easy: SH3. SH4 hasn't been modded yet so we can't say its better and it won't be better til enough people start playing it to make it good enough to stand up to SH3.

[999-Jay-999]

Of course SH4 will be on par even much better after time goes by if the care and attention that went into SH3 goes into SH4... Graphically anyways.

What I mean though is there dramatically any more to it than graphical polish that SH4 offers over the seasoned SH3 ?... I would love to go out and buy it NOW but I get that feeling I be using an SH3-PLUS rather than a new dramatic Sub sim which SH4 seems not to be...

Just my feeling thats all.

[Hitman]

The developers are paid to get the job done so if SH4 is lacking in much the same way that SH3 was then there is room to complain. Between the already existing game engine and the huge amount of community feedback they should be able to make a damn fine game. Oh, and they have the bloody source code too! Imagine how much easier GWX could have been to do with that level of control.

I think its totally fair to judge a fresh new game compared to another one thats well seasoned if the new game is the successor to the one which its compared to.

Well yes and no IMHO...SH4 Devs get paid and have source code, that's right, but they also have UBI on their backs pushing for a commercial release and for cutting short the developement whenever possible. Modders have nearly all time they need at their will:hmm:

[Reece]

I haven't got my copy of SH4 yet, I have prepaid for the collectors edition (AU $100) but after reading the various threads over the last 2 days it looks to be a lemon! especially after reading the bug thread I felt quite sick! Atleast we have the best modders here at Subsim, we'll just have to pull ouselves together & fix it, like we had to do with SH3, since it has the same engine and format we are part way there!

[Iron Budokan]

Well, it's fair to compare SH3 and SH4 but it's not fair to compare SH3 + GWX with SH4 because one is heavily modded and the other is stock.

But, sure, it's more than fair to compare two stock sub sims. We do it all the time: AOD vs. Silent Service II vs. 688 vs DW vs SH3, ad nauseum. Nothing wrong with that.

And once I get my hot wittle hands on SH4 then you can be certain I will compare it with stock SH3 and decide which I like the better.

[IceGrog]

I love the Atlantic theater, I love these German rust buckets, and they seem so primitive compared to the Americans (just my opinion)
But my heart wants to sail USN submarine. So I will probably do both.