Why do the poor have more free time?

That is a nice description Fish. But the essence is in the numbers and compared to Samolia your nation is certainly an achiever.

The problem is that your economy being well above the EU average is holding you and your nation back. Another nation is pulling the average down and your nation as a consequence. The creation of the EU has pulled the Netherlands into that race for the bottom that is the hallmark of socialist societies.

GDP: $612.7 billion (2006 est.)
Debt: $1.899 trillion (30 June 2006)

Your county's debt is better than three times its income.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by waste gate

the EU average is holding you and your nation back. Another nation is pulling the average down and your nation as a consequence. The creation of the EU has pulled the Netherlands into that race for the bottom that is the hallmark of socialist societies.

Prove it.

There is no significant change since NL joined the EU when one looks at the graph of economic growth for that country.

Originally Posted by waste gate

GDP: $612.7 billion (2006 est.)
Debt: $1.899 trillion (30 June 2006)

Your county's debt is better than three times its income.

More than a little out of context. Most economies have more debt than GDP.



Why, in your opinion, do you think most of Europe has joined the EU?
Do you believe that economists from 27 different countries have all made the same mistake?

Originally Posted by Letum

Prove it.

There is no significant change since NL joined the EU when one looks at the graph of economic growth for that country.

More than a little out of context. Most economies have more debt than GDP.



Why, in your opinion, do you think most of Europe has joined the EU?
Do you believe that economists from 27 different countries have all made the same mistake?

Here is a link to the fact book that Fish used to bolster his argument.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

You can look up the EU countries yourself. Most have a trade surplus so I was mistaken. The Netherlands are pulling the rest down. Sorry Fish.

Regarding economists. Socialist economists will always point towards socialism.
Not your best argument Letum. I feel bad for you.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Here is a link to the fact book that Fish used to bolster his argument.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

You can look up the EU countries yourself. Most have a trade surplus so I was mistaken. The Netherlands are pulling the rest down. Sorry Fish.

Regarding economists. Socialist economists will always point towards socialism.
Not your best argument Letum. I feel bad for you.

1) Who said the economists where socialist?

2) Why do you think is there is no significant change (compared to non EU members of Europe with similar economies) since the NL or the UK (can't find data for other countries atm) joined the EU when one looks at the graph of economic growth for those counties?

*edit* btw, the CIA Factbook is known to be inaccurate. They disagree with the IMF and the World bank on several topics.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Regarding economists. Socialist economists will always point towards socialism.

Socialism is an economic term. If effect, what you have just said is that the economics of socialism produce a socialist economy.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Socialism is an economic term. If effect, what you have just said is that the economics of socialism produce a socialist economy.

My policy is not to respond directly to moderators due to the conflict of inerest they display when they insert themselves into the thread. It's been my experience that nothing good can come of it. I will make a limited exception here and point you to your own signature.

You asked about idle, remote things, but what lay closest to you; that which you needed to know did not occur to you. Now, when I guess it, you go insane: I have won your wily head!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by waste gate

My policy is not to respond directly to moderators due to the conflict of inerest they display when they insert themselves into the thread. It's been my experience that nothing good can come of it. I will make a limited exception here and point you to your own signature.

I am not aruing for or against your position, nor am I embroiled in your discussion. I simply draw your attention to the fact that you are misusing the term 'socialism'. I do it every time someone abuses economic or political terms. If the members are going to argue with such authority, it seems reasonable that they should know what the terms mean.

I shall keep my head, mein freund.

[stabiz]

Gotta stop reading threads started by waste gate.