So much for Democrats courting gun owners

[MadMike]

Yours, Mike

But think about this: right now you're advocating that the government take away my right to defend myself.

Isn't that is what government is for.....to defend its citizens?

After all if we had allowed our government to protect us we would have not had all these school shootings.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

First we start with guns. Then we can move on to knives and 'other' weapons.

Are you being serious? No friggen way! That is too funny. Or are you just joking still? I thought you were being sarcastic.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Isn't that is what government is for.....to defend its citizens?

After all if we had allowed our government to protect us we would have not had all these school shootings.

Government can do nothing to the guy want to kill to the guy wanting to take your wallet. Oh please wait Mr. criminal - I want to wait for the cops to get here before we continue. Is that OK mr Criminal? Hahahahaha! THis is reality to some people I guess. THey must think this works.

-S

PS. How is this going to stop criminals from getting guns and shooting up some school because they are whacked out?

PPS. As another thought - If the teachers and officers of the school were armed, exactly how far do you think this guy would get?

[SUBMAN1]

I have all sorts of thoughts this afternoon. Here is another one - That Bill has quite a shopping list that I have to catch up on!

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Government can do nothing to the guy want to kill to the guy wanting to take your wallet. Oh please wait Mr. criminal - I want to wait for the cops to get here before we continue. Is that OK mr Criminal? Hahahahaha! THis is reality to some people I guess. THey must think this works.

-S

PS. How is this going to stop criminals from getting guns and shooting up some school because they are whacked out?

PPS. As another thought - If the teachers and officers of the school were armed, exactly how far do you think this guy would get?

To repeat an overly repeated phrase; 'when guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have guns'. By having those guns, not to mention using them, they are criminal and the government will protect you against their use of fire arms, until we ban every other weapon. Believe me when I tell you we are working on allowing our government to be our protector. As it should be.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

To repeat an overly repeated phrase; 'when guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have guns'. By having those guns, not to mention using them, they are criminal and the government will protect you against their use of fire arms, until we ban every other weapon. Believe me when I tell you we are working on allowing our government to be our protector. As it should be.

Hahahahaa!:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: That is the funniest thing I have heard in ages. How the hell is the government ever going to stop a crime in progress? Police have a term for this, and they can't help in that situation, so I am curious as to how you see the government becoming our protector? How do you see them stopping a crime in progress?

-S

PS. By the way, I guess you expect us to cut our steak tomorrow with our fork? SInce knifes will be banned, guess we can't eat steak! Hmm - that even puts McD's out of business since they can't slit the throat of a cow since it would use a banned item!

How the hell is the government ever going to stop a crime in progress?

When we all adopt the view that all life is sacred and that the gov't is looking out for us crime will not exist.

PS. that even puts McD's out of business since they can't slit the throat of a cow since it would use a banned item!

First of all, no knives are used in the slaughter house. We should all be sparing living animals and be eating other non-animal products anyway. Why do we use other sentient beings to make our lives better. It cheapens our lives.

[ASWnut101]

Has Waste Gate taken a turn to the left?


Although, It dosen't seem like him. Even his writing style is different.:hmm:

On an average day in this country, two or three people die and approximately 30 are injured from accidental firearms shootings; about fifty more die by suicide with a gun. Without guns these people would have died from something else.

Besides the above mentioned statistics certainly hate crime laws will help the govn't protect us.

[ASWnut101]

Any article to back that up?

And you just said they would have died from something else, right? So then what is the point of banning guns if something else would do the job?

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Any article to back that up?

And you just said they would have died from something else, right? So then what is the point of banning guns if something else would do the job?

http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/20...andating-guns/

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Why does anyone, other than the government and its agents need such a weapon?
Has there ever been a time in which a government didn't allow people their God given rights? Why would anyone ever have a use for a firearm which could take a life? After all criminal activity is enviromental and if guns are banned no one will have them.

You had so many quotes I wanted to address, I finally just picked one ...

The government has already experimented with taking away guns from it's citzens, along with drugs, sex, and alcohol.

Those citzens are in jail's and prison's all over our land and they still continue to kill each other, share drugs with each other, drink alcohol and have sex with each other.

What you propose Waste gate is impossible, give up ... I was with you on fighting energy and wasting our resources, but this is it waste gate ... You either give in or no more Mr nice guy ... just kidding on the threat part.

Come on waste gate meet us half way ...

[Tchocky]

Can anyone provide an explanation for these murder rates, other than widespread gun ownership? I'm trying, but I can't see many alternatives


USA - 5.9
Australia - 1.28
Britain - 1.62
France - 1.64
Germany - 0.98

Thats the murder rate as a whole per 100,000 people, it doesnt discriminate by method. For the 2000's so far.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Can anyone provide an explanation for these murder rates, other than widespread gun ownership? I'm trying, but I can't see many alternatives


USA - 5.9
Australia - 1.28
Britain - 1.62
France - 1.64
Germany - 0.98

Thats the murder rate as a whole per 100,000 people, it doesnt discriminate by method. For the 2000's so far.

I saw those numbers also Tchocky. Since they did not differentiate on the means I decided the numbers were of no value in this thread.