So much for Democrats courting gun owners

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If those who continue to to manufacture their own fire arms will be criminals by their disobedience to the law which the government has legally made.

So if a criminal (who by his very nature disobeys the law) wants to make his own guns, your new law will make him not do it?

If fire arms are banned no criminal activity will threaten your life.

See above. Criminals attack people all the time with other weapons, including their very size and strength. If some guy with a knife wants to attack me, how do I defend myself? A gun seems like the way to go to me.

I don't understand. Are you saying that governments always allow people their rights?

Of course where else would you get rights.

Governments deny people their rights all the time. Look at Germany during the period of the game we like to play. Look at the United States, denying certain segments of the population equal rights for more than a hundred years. The whole point of trying to guarantee rights is the problem that the people in control are always trying to deny others their "God given" rights. It's what governments do best.

Please, list your cases where the government purposely turned on those it governs.

You're joking, right? The United States fought a major civil war just a few generations ago, because a large portion of the population was being denied ALL rights, including the right to be considered anything more than property. There are many examples of governments denying all kinds of rights. Unfortunately my time at the library is almost up; I'll have to continue this tomorrow.

But think about this: right now you're advocating that the government take away my right to defend myself. If you get your way you will have no protection from the possibility of that same government deciding that you no longer have the right to drive a car, watch a movie or even play video games.

All rights come from the consent of the people, not the government.

[MadMike]

Yours, Mike

But think about this: right now you're advocating that the government take away my right to defend myself.

Isn't that is what government is for.....to defend its citizens?

After all if we had allowed our government to protect us we would have not had all these school shootings.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Isn't that is what government is for.....to defend its citizens?

After all if we had allowed our government to protect us we would have not had all these school shootings.

Government can do nothing to the guy want to kill to the guy wanting to take your wallet. Oh please wait Mr. criminal - I want to wait for the cops to get here before we continue. Is that OK mr Criminal? Hahahahaha! THis is reality to some people I guess. THey must think this works.

-S

PS. How is this going to stop criminals from getting guns and shooting up some school because they are whacked out?

PPS. As another thought - If the teachers and officers of the school were armed, exactly how far do you think this guy would get?

[SUBMAN1]

I have all sorts of thoughts this afternoon. Here is another one - That Bill has quite a shopping list that I have to catch up on!

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Government can do nothing to the guy want to kill to the guy wanting to take your wallet. Oh please wait Mr. criminal - I want to wait for the cops to get here before we continue. Is that OK mr Criminal? Hahahahaha! THis is reality to some people I guess. THey must think this works.

-S

PS. How is this going to stop criminals from getting guns and shooting up some school because they are whacked out?

PPS. As another thought - If the teachers and officers of the school were armed, exactly how far do you think this guy would get?

To repeat an overly repeated phrase; 'when guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have guns'. By having those guns, not to mention using them, they are criminal and the government will protect you against their use of fire arms, until we ban every other weapon. Believe me when I tell you we are working on allowing our government to be our protector. As it should be.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

To repeat an overly repeated phrase; 'when guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have guns'. By having those guns, not to mention using them, they are criminal and the government will protect you against their use of fire arms, until we ban every other weapon. Believe me when I tell you we are working on allowing our government to be our protector. As it should be.

Hahahahaa!:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: That is the funniest thing I have heard in ages. How the hell is the government ever going to stop a crime in progress? Police have a term for this, and they can't help in that situation, so I am curious as to how you see the government becoming our protector? How do you see them stopping a crime in progress?

-S

PS. By the way, I guess you expect us to cut our steak tomorrow with our fork? SInce knifes will be banned, guess we can't eat steak! Hmm - that even puts McD's out of business since they can't slit the throat of a cow since it would use a banned item!

How the hell is the government ever going to stop a crime in progress?

When we all adopt the view that all life is sacred and that the gov't is looking out for us crime will not exist.

PS. that even puts McD's out of business since they can't slit the throat of a cow since it would use a banned item!

First of all, no knives are used in the slaughter house. We should all be sparing living animals and be eating other non-animal products anyway. Why do we use other sentient beings to make our lives better. It cheapens our lives.

[ASWnut101]

Has Waste Gate taken a turn to the left?


Although, It dosen't seem like him. Even his writing style is different.:hmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Isn't that is what government is for.....to defend its citizens?

No, absolutely not. More than once people have tried to sue the police for slow response times resulting in people getting robbed, beaten or worse. In every case the courts have said that police cannot be held responsible for delays, so cannot be expected to protect you in every case.

After all if we had allowed our government to protect us we would have not had all these school shootings.

Again, if a big guy with a baseball bat (ban those too?) breaks into your home and proceeds to attack you, what are you going to do? Tell him to go away?Run (not if you live on the third floor)? Call the police? I have a friend who lives in a rural area. The nearest police are three HOURS away. Good luck on that one.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Again, if a big guy with a baseball bat (ban those too?) breaks into your home and proceeds to attack you, what are you going to do? Tell him to go away?Run (not if you live on the third floor)? Call the police? I have a friend who lives in a rural area. The nearest police are three HOURS away. Good luck on that one.

That is probably one thing many Europeans forget - the land mass the US has and response times may actually be 3 hours away in many cases.

Also, the police show up to the most critical situation first, and that is not always some guy robbing your house!

-S