Adversarial gameplay & xbox 360?

[Guido]

These comments make me think about the games broader apeal also, and the route that ubi want to take SH in the future.

"Ubisoft says they want SH4 to appeal to the serious subsim skipper and casual gamer and with "Hollywood Blockbuster" graphics, SH4 should get the attention of the guy strolling through a Wal-Mart with some fishing lures and a sixpack. "One of the aims of the game is to present it like a movie," said Dan. "A historical movie where even the menus are inspired by films such as "Saving Private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers"

I can see console giving ubi a hood wink here lets face it most gamers on this forum arent running high end rigs for gaming anymore, the likely future for sh is console without a doubt, pc gaming has become soooo much more expensive. And the last 30 somethings and more gamers are spending less and less on pc hardware, and more on the 360 or ps3 (and massive TVs!) it is easier and cheaper for us - not to mention more money and less hassle for the developers.
To best the experience of my 360 currently, I would need a 40" monitor running a high end expensive pc at a stupidly high resolution........my pockets would be empty and I wouldnt be any more immersed gaming wise than I am already.
I would go and get SH4 on 360 like a shot £40, no ****ty starforce, and I can play wireless talk to my buddies and drink some red wine at the same time

gosh i have ranted on a bit havent i..........

[Boris]

I still don't see it.

And PCs haven't gotten more expensive. A new computer costs just as much now as a new computer 5 or 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.

[AJ!]

only prob with a 360 version is there arnt enough buttons for all the commands

[Guido]

"And PCs haven't gotten more expensive. A new computer costs just as much now as a new computer 5 or 10 years ago. Nothing has changed"

The thing thats changed today, is this..............

PC's are getting cheaper and cheaper I agree - however gaming on a pc has gone in the other direction...... you need two gfx cards or more ........... you need dual cores or more................. in order to game "properly" on the pc these days, and compare gaming to my 360 and 40" screen etc you need to spend over £3k to gain the same experience. its these spenders that drive the development of games, and these guyz and gals only have a certain amount of cash, I purchased one 40" sony bravia this year, and I cant see me buying another huge screen to watch the pc stutter on.............................

[flintlock]

Originally Posted by Guido

gaming on a pc has gone in the other direction...... you need two gfx cards or more ........... you need dual cores or more................. in order to game "properly" on the pc these days,

Most games today still aren't threaded and most still don't take advantage of SLI/Crossfire configs, so you usually end up seeing an insignificant gain performance wise with the latter, and on the odd occasion you'l get a slight performance hit with the former.

[Boris]

Like someone already said, consoles are for casual gamers for some light entertainment. They're there to feed the stupid masses. Not that everyone who plays console games is stupid, they just don't take gaming seriously, or have the console for non-serious gaming. There is no way someone can sit in front a console and do a three or four hour patrol holding a noob-stick.

Consoles are like to computers, as the television is to cinema. A cinema experience forces immersion, whereas television is a casual on the side experience, where you talk to people, eat, do ther stuff, and can be stopped at any point.

Consoles have co-existed with computers since the dawn of electronic gaming. PCs are far too popular at the moment to die. The PC gaming sub-culture is very big.

I would go as far as to say PC gaming is for true enthusiasts, no matter what genre you're talking about. It's all about customisation, making ones own computer better is a fun hobby for many people. It is the PC market that drives graphics technology, not the consoles. PCs are the bleeding edge of gaming, and someone needs to be at the forefront.

Which brings me to the number one most important thing. PC games allow modding!!! Almost every PC game gets modded these days, and it is something that gamers love to have. Imagine SH without mods!

An SH game is getting more and more ridiculous the more I think about it. If you can imagine yourself playing SH5 on a console, then you should ask yourself wheather you really care about what you are playing. There are plenty of other games around that cater for big explosions.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by Guido

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The thing thats changed today, is this..............

PC's are getting cheaper and cheaper I agree - however gaming on a pc has gone in the other direction...... you need two gfx cards or more ........... you need dual cores or more................. in order to game "properly" on the pc these days, and compare gaming to my 360 and 40" screen etc you need to spend over £3k to gain the same experience. its these spenders that drive the development of games, and these guyz and gals only have a certain amount of cash, I purchased one 40" sony bravia this year, and I cant see me buying another huge screen to watch the pc stutter on.............................

I'll second that. Good point

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

Originally Posted by Boris

I still don't see it.

And PCs haven't gotten more expensive. A new computer costs just as much now as a new computer 5 or 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.

And game prices are half, perhaps a 1/3, of what they were 10/15 years ago.

[Guido]

RE: modding.................

IF you think that modding isnt possible on the consoles think again, xbox live arcade? lots of developers now with the tools its only the beggining.
Remember unreal 2004 the king of modifications?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=158324

[Boris]

All they're saying is that mods are going to be ported to consoles, but they need PCs to be developed on.

They can make simplified console versions of PC games as much as they like, as long as it doesn't kill the PC market.
PC is where the real action is in terms of innovation, and that's where I'm staying.

[Guido]

Big development and innovation require lots of money, games like "unreal 3" will still make wealthy gamers purchase uber pc gaming rigs in turn driving modding and gaming on the pc - but games like SH I am affraid have rather a smaller user base, unless of course it moves to multiplatform? add to that most people playing SH3 probably dont spend a fortune on a gaming rig! so in turn I dont know how the innovation is going to be funded myself.

Ubi want to make money, I want to play on my couch with a wireless controller, and on the odd occasion with some sea dog buddies, ahhh voice comms without any "pc hassle", I look forward to enjoying subbing with people from all around the world, now thats innovation!

come on lets make it happen

[Boris]

Are you saying you actually want silent hunter to be console exclusive?