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01-26-07, 01:17 AM

1996 - As Americans become more concerned with the growing missing and abducted children problem, and law enforcement groups urge the fingerprinting of children for investigative purposes in the event of a child becoming missing.

I believe this is but an excuse. I have not heard of any child being reunited with their family based on fingerprint identification. Have you? Currently there is a very high profile case of child abduction case in Missouri, USA. The two, yes two, abducted children were liberated based on the tip of a viligant teenager.

My concern is that there is no control, other than the government's, over the use of the fingerprints. NAZI Germany used tattoos to mark their victims. This is no more than a tattoo which cannot be removed. Often the best intentions have been subverted into something evil and I believe our children are at greater risk from the government (fingerprints are yours forever) than from anyone who would do them evil.

August · 01-26-07, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

1996 - As Americans become more concerned with the growing missing and abducted children problem, and law enforcement groups urge the fingerprinting of children for investigative purposes in the event of a child becoming missing.

That's a different thing than what these guys are talking about. In the US fingerprint cards are given to the parents who only turn them over to LE if the child goes missing.

SUBMAN1 · 01-26-07, 10:58 AM

Maybe we are backwards over here across the pond, but all the security cams scares me more and do little to deter crime. I watched a little thing on the UK and its security cams a bit back and places where they were installed crime actually went up, and where they decided not to install, crime went down. If you watch it, it is like the criminals get a bigger thrill out of defeating the cams!

Also, 90% of all cam time by their operaters were spent watching womens boobs. The other 10% was spent busting loiterers for no good reason. And, what makes this funny, several real crimes like car thefts happened in these areas at the 'exact' same time.

-S

PS. The FBI already has my prints so to me this is a lost cause. It is a req to give prints for a CPP permit since if you don't, you won't be approved!

STEED · 01-26-07, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

If you watch it, it is like the criminals get a bigger thrill out of defeating the cams!

In the case of 7 to 15 years old they just don't care if they are caught on camera for one simple reason the law is so weak and they know it. They just get away with it most of the time and the police just will not bother arresting them as they know it's a mountain of paper work before going to the courts resulting in no justice.

XabbaRus · 01-26-07, 06:53 PM

As a parent I am against fingerprinting of children especially primary school age.

I feel it serves no purpose and that the reasons given are excuses that fit in with the UK governments desire to keep tabs on its citizens.

My view is that criminals or those suspected of committing a crime with the evidence to back up those suspicions are fingerprinted.

I feel that once you fingerprint someone even if they haven't committed a crime it is in a way labelling them as 'potential criminal'

I read on a site called Leave Our Kids Alone that a fingerprint system was put in place as it avioded library cards being lost. I mean for a small primary school how hard is it to print another library card.

Also if more and more people are fingerprinted I see the potential for misscarriges of justice.

Also edjcox's argument which seems to be if you are an honest person you have nothing to be afraid of is bull since mistakes are made and an innocent person could get sent down with a record and then face years having to clear their name.

If I ever found out that my child had been fingerprinted without my permission and without a very good reason I would be in touch with a lawyer very quickly.

U-533 · 01-27-07, 05:53 PM

My wife and I have 4 Daughters and 1 Son. They are in the "BIG BROTHER ID BANK". I myself have been finger printed so many times the ink stains will never fade. Almost ever 3 letter and 4 letter organization has a copy of my prints. As well as a few I'd rather not mention.
I believe the time has come to keep tabs on the populace.
In a day where whacko child molesters roam free, and gangs run prisons as well as most schools, Politicians are corrupt pimps(as opposed to regular pimps),Terrorist abound, and the judicial system is strangled by POLITICAL CORRECTNESS...

Something needs to be done to bring accountability to bear on this runaway free for all lifestyle that is leading us down the path of destruction...

This add paid for by the elect U-533 for Worldleader campaign. All rights reserved until I become Worldleader. After that the gloves come off.

XabbaRus · 01-30-07, 07:56 AM

And soon keeping tabs will becoming keeping control, and then whoops you find yourself in some nightmarish scenario where people disappear for thinking differently.

01-26-07, 10:58 AM	#3
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Maybe we are backwards over here across the pond, but all the security cams scares me more and do little to deter crime. I watched a little thing on the UK and its security cams a bit back and places where they were installed crime actually went up, and where they decided not to install, crime went down. If you watch it, it is like the criminals get a bigger thrill out of defeating the cams! Also, 90% of all cam time by their operaters were spent watching womens boobs. The other 10% was spent busting loiterers for no good reason. And, what makes this funny, several real crimes like car thefts happened in these areas at the 'exact' same time. -S PS. The FBI already has my prints so to me this is a lost cause. It is a req to give prints for a CPP permit since if you don't, you won't be approved! __________________

01-26-07, 06:53 PM	#5
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	As a parent I am against fingerprinting of children especially primary school age. I feel it serves no purpose and that the reasons given are excuses that fit in with the UK governments desire to keep tabs on its citizens. My view is that criminals or those suspected of committing a crime with the evidence to back up those suspicions are fingerprinted. I feel that once you fingerprint someone even if they haven't committed a crime it is in a way labelling them as 'potential criminal' I read on a site called Leave Our Kids Alone that a fingerprint system was put in place as it avioded library cards being lost. I mean for a small primary school how hard is it to print another library card. Also if more and more people are fingerprinted I see the potential for misscarriges of justice. Also edjcox's argument which seems to be if you are an honest person you have nothing to be afraid of is bull since mistakes are made and an innocent person could get sent down with a record and then face years having to clear their name. If I ever found out that my child had been fingerprinted without my permission and without a very good reason I would be in touch with a lawyer very quickly. __________________

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	And soon keeping tabs will becoming keeping control, and then whoops you find yourself in some nightmarish scenario where people disappear for thinking differently. __________________

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01-26-07, 01:17 AM	#1
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	1996 - As Americans become more concerned with the growing missing and abducted children problem, and law enforcement groups urge the fingerprinting of children for investigative purposes in the event of a child becoming missing. I believe this is but an excuse. I have not heard of any child being reunited with their family based on fingerprint identification. Have you? Currently there is a very high profile case of child abduction case in Missouri, USA. The two, yes two, abducted children were liberated based on the tip of a viligant teenager. My concern is that there is no control, other than the government's, over the use of the fingerprints. NAZI Germany used tattoos to mark their victims. This is no more than a tattoo which cannot be removed. Often the best intentions have been subverted into something evil and I believe our children are at greater risk from the government (fingerprints are yours forever) than from anyone who would do them evil.

01-27-07, 05:53 PM	#6
U-533 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: On my Boat Posts: 594 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My wife and I have 4 Daughters and 1 Son. They are in the "BIG BROTHER ID BANK". I myself have been finger printed so many times the ink stains will never fade. Almost ever 3 letter and 4 letter organization has a copy of my prints. As well as a few I'd rather not mention. I believe the time has come to keep tabs on the populace. In a day where whacko child molesters roam free, and gangs run prisons as well as most schools, Politicians are corrupt pimps(as opposed to regular pimps),Terrorist abound, and the judicial system is strangled by POLITICAL CORRECTNESS... Something needs to be done to bring accountability to bear on this runaway free for all lifestyle that is leading us down the path of destruction... This add paid for by the elect U-533 for Worldleader campaign. All rights reserved until I become Worldleader. After that the gloves come off.