Patrol & career logs not tracking crew losses

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by q65

When you click on him (not sure if its right or left button on the mouse) and it will ask if you want to him to be buried. You click yes and over the side he goes.

Thanks, new to me.

I have been thinking about this and I think I'll keep them onboard until I have returned to port. This way SH3Cmdr will track their 'deaths' and give an accurate patrol report.

Example - my last patrol had a total tonnage of 98000 (+ change). 17 Aircraft + 4 x Large Merchant/Cargo + HMS Nelson. Now the ships aren't special (just high tonnage) but the 17 aircraft were and as a result I paid the price by loosing all 3 of my flak gunners. (didn't realise until too late that I was out of ammo).

If I didnt have the record of loosing my gunners then I would assume this patrol to be unrealistic in terms of tonnage scored. However, I can take solice in the fact that I/they paid the price.

[hyperion2206]

I'm wondering what the real Kaleuns did when a crew member died. I'm pretty sure they buried him at sea. So now I've to decide what's more realistic: Bury him at sea and don't get "penalized" for it, or keep a rotting body on board to get an accurate patrol report.:hmm:

[Abd_von_Mumit]

Originally Posted by hyperion2206

I'm wondering what the real Kaleuns did when a crew member died. I'm pretty sure they buried him at sea. So now I've to decide what's more realistic: Bury him at sea and don't get "penalized" for it, or keep a rotting body on board to get an accurate patrol report.:hmm:

A rotten body - problem for month or two for maximum.
False mission and career report - life lasting problem. Unforgetable.

PS You could always store the bodies in emptied external torpedo tubes till you reach the base.

Or take a finger of each one dead, whatever, and bury the rest. A finger should be enough evidence for BdU...

[hyperion2206]

I've decided to bury my dead at sea. I think it's realistic and the right thing to do. Immagine the mess it would make to stuff a body into an empty external tube and remove it some weeks later.
If Onkel Karl asks why there's a lad missing I'll tell him that he went over board, hence MIA.

[Abd_von_Mumit]

Originally Posted by hyperion2206

I've decided to bury my dead at sea. I think it's realistic and the right thing to do. Immagine the mess it would make to stuff a body into an empty external tube and remove it some weeks later.
If Onkel Karl asks why there's a lad missing I'll tell him that he went over board, hence MIA.

You can always try to treat the red bodies not as real dead human bodies, but rather as the metal (aluminium I suppose) "thing" (we call it "nie¶miertelnik" in Polish, that means "unmortaler", "immortaler") that every soldier has attached to his neck or arm. You just collect them and on returning to base pass to where you should, and that's it.

The problem is that the bodies still occupy some space (slots) in your boat, but you can move them to unused compartments of her. These could be treated as the dead soldiers belongings (personal stuff and so on) that you wish to pass to their families or maybe even bury in a symbolic grave, pass over to a Naval Museum or whatever.

And thus they can be still recorded as lost in action in your career files. The realism doesn't have to suffer a lot...

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

You can always try to treat the red bodies not as real dead human bodies, but rather as the metal (aluminium I suppose) "thing" (we call it "nie¶miertelnik" in Polish, that means "unmortaler", "immortaler") that every soldier has attached to his neck or arm. You just collect them and on returning to base pass to where you should, and that's it.

The problem is that the bodies still occupy some space (slots) in your boat, but you can move them to unused compartments of her. These could be treated as the dead soldiers belongings (personal stuff and so on) that you wish to pass to their families or maybe even bury in a symbolic grave, pass over to a Naval Museum or whatever.

And thus they can be still recorded as lost in action in your career files. The realism doesn't have to suffer a lot...

Excellent idea!!

The 'things' you're thinking of are called 'dog tags' in the US.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by danlisa

I have been thinking about this and I think I'll keep them onboard until I have returned to port. This way SH3Cmdr will track their 'deaths' and give an accurate patrol report.

Yeah, I do the same too. For no reason than to have the death recorded by SH3 hence SH3Cmdr. Another workaround.

[KLARCH]

Originally Posted by danlisa

I have been thinking about this and I think I'll keep them onboard until I have returned to port. This way SH3Cmdr will track their 'deaths' and give an accurate patrol report.

Does anyone know if keeping the dead crewmembers onboard has a negative effect on morale.

I know that crew deaths lowers it, but does keeping the corpses around bring it down even more?

[melnibonian]

Originally Posted by KLARCH

Does anyone know if keeping the dead crewmembers onboard has a negative effect on morale.

I know that crew deaths lowers it, but does keeping the corpses around bring it down even more?

I don't think it affects your morale but you lose renown

[KLARCH]

Originally Posted by melnibonian

I don't think it affects your morale but you lose renown

Nope no renown in NYGM 2.3, which is what I'm using.

But morale is effected by crew deaths and long patrols with little success.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway as I'll keep the corpses with me to get correct patrol reports. I buried my whole watch crew at sea from my last patrol and it bothered me that they were not accounted for as killed in action, or even having existed at all.

Originally Posted by melnibonian

I don't think it affects your morale but you lose renown

You lose renown because you return to port with your dead instead of burying them at sea? I've never heard of that before.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Albrecht Von Hesse

You lose renown because you return to port with your dead instead of burying them at sea? I've never heard of that before.

Me neither :hmm:

[melnibonian]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Me neither :hmm:

No what I mean is that if you lose crew members you lose renown