GWX - Hydrophones and the map

Martin1813 · 12-19-06, 10:22 AM

it's definitly the good solution, HEMISENT.

they are your ears and your eyes and it would a pity having a noob in the place while you're hunting/hunted because the good man can't raise hir arm.

Loaf · 12-19-06, 10:39 AM

I noticed playing GWX that I still occasionally get hydrophone reports while I am on the surface... Anybody else have this problem?

Is that something that can be fixed with a mod, or is it hard-coded?

Martin1813 · 12-19-06, 10:44 AM

I used to notice that sometimes with TGW but I don't know if this is still present in GWX.

JU_88 · 12-19-06, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Loaf

I noticed playing GWX that I still occasionally get hydrophone reports while I am on the surface... Anybody else have this problem?

Is that something that can be fixed with a mod, or is it hard-coded?

Ive noticed that since the first time i ever played sh3.
So thats a stock game problem, not a GWX problem mate.

Other stock game problems with hydrophones include:

Hydrophone reports stationary ships

and

Hydrophone works though land. (the sh3 would doesn't always treat land as and obsitical where it should)

ASAIK -these issues are hard coded and cant be fixed easily.

ref · 12-19-06, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Loaf

I noticed playing GWX that I still occasionally get hydrophone reports while I am on the surface... Anybody else have this problem?

Is that something that can be fixed with a mod, or is it hard-coded?

If you're in bad weather it's possible that the hydrophone reciever get's underwater for a moment.

Ref

Loaf · 12-19-06, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ref

If you're in bad weather it's possible that the hydrophone reciever get's underwater for a moment.

Ref

That would explain why it doesn't happen all the time... I find it a bit of an immersion-killer. I guess I could always un-man the hydrophone station when I am on the surface.

Deimos01 · 12-19-06, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Loaf

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref

If you're in bad weather it's possible that the hydrophone reciever get's underwater for a moment.

Ref

That would explain why it doesn't happen all the time... I find it a bit of an immersion-killer. I guess I could always un-man the hydrophone station when I am on the surface.

Actually you are right on the money with that one. The game doesnt really understand the difference between being submerged and just being under a big wave on the surface as far as hydro goes. Alls it knows is when the sound head is under water then you get a sound fix. Not a GWX issue. It is a stock game issue.

Sailor Steve · 12-19-06, 04:24 PM

And that's only half the problem. You shouldn't have to have the hydrophone manned while surfaced, or the radio while submerged. having the two combined means that you have to do something very unrealistic just to have peak efficiency in the compartment. Same goes for having the dive planes manned while surfaced.

hocking · 12-20-06, 12:21 AM

Here is my current experience with the Hydrophones:

I am chasing a slow moving merchant in very heavy seas, fog, and rain. I can't see anything really. Here are the issue I am having with the Hydrophones:

1) I am getting no "Map update" images on my map indicating sound locations of ships close by. The sound-room reports sound contacts to me, but he will not mark the map where these sound contacts are coming from, and at what distance. He just verbally tells me.

2) When I go to the surface, he will continue to report the sound contacts to me. From this, I am able to enter a chase with the ship while keeping somewhat of a fix on its position. When I go to the Hydrophones myself, I see what is happening. The phones are being submerged occassionally when my boat buries into the heavy seas, so I am occasionally able to hear the merchant ahead of me. I do not hear it the entire time I am listening, but I will hear it for enough time to get a location on the merchant. I have not tried this is calm seas yet.

3) Then the most frustrating part of it. When I get in close to the merchant, my sound-room crewman starts reporting "No Sound Contact". It is like he leads me in real close, and then decides to go deaf on me leaving me to fend for myself. Well, fine, I go to the Hydrophones myself to listen for the sound contacts again. Nothing. I can't hear a thing no matter how long I sit there and try to find the merchant again. Then I submerge, and I will pick the merchant up with the Hydrophones completely away from me somewhere since it took so long to find it again. Very frustrating.

Why am I not getting any map updates from my sound-room? Why does the sound-room all of a sudden lose contact with the ship when it is in close? I think the opposite should happen, he should hear the ship better when we are closer to it.

One of my sound-room men are "Radio" Qualified, and the ohter is not. My green bar is nearly half filled I believe.

Notewire · 12-20-06, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And that's only half the problem. You shouldn't have to have the hydrophone manned while surfaced, or the radio while submerged. having the two combined means that you have to do something very unrealistic just to have peak efficiency in the compartment. Same goes for having the dive planes manned while surfaced.

Sailor Steve, 99% of the time, your comments are right on the money, not sure you have this one right though - just my opinion. I am a soldier, not a sailor, and on the ground anyway, have two guys do ANYTHINg is better than one. An example, for me, would be going on a long car trip. Only one guy can drive, but two guys are much better - someone to talk to, keep you awake, switch the headphones out every 15 mins, etc.

Anyway, cheers, and happy holidays. I just wanted to answer because I thought this was odd - but when I think about it now, just having two guys in the compartment might be more efficient, for focusing on the hydro or the radio scanner.

Just my thoughts, trying to cheer you up on the game!!

12-19-06, 10:22 AM	#1
Martin1813 Torpedoman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Caen, France Posts: 111 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	it's definitly the good solution, HEMISENT. they are your ears and your eyes and it would a pity having a noob in the place while you're hunting/hunted because the good man can't raise hir arm. __________________

12-19-06, 10:44 AM	#3
Martin1813 Torpedoman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Caen, France Posts: 111 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I used to notice that sometimes with TGW but I don't know if this is still present in GWX. __________________

12-19-06, 04:24 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	And that's only half the problem. You shouldn't have to have the hydrophone manned while surfaced, or the radio while submerged. having the two combined means that you have to do something very unrealistic just to have peak efficiency in the compartment. Same goes for having the dive planes manned while surfaced. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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12-19-06, 10:39 AM	#2
Loaf Mate Join Date: May 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 58 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I noticed playing GWX that I still occasionally get hydrophone reports while I am on the surface... Anybody else have this problem? Is that something that can be fixed with a mod, or is it hard-coded?

12-20-06, 12:21 AM	#9
hocking Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 154 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	Here is my current experience with the Hydrophones: I am chasing a slow moving merchant in very heavy seas, fog, and rain. I can't see anything really. Here are the issue I am having with the Hydrophones: 1) I am getting no "Map update" images on my map indicating sound locations of ships close by. The sound-room reports sound contacts to me, but he will not mark the map where these sound contacts are coming from, and at what distance. He just verbally tells me. 2) When I go to the surface, he will continue to report the sound contacts to me. From this, I am able to enter a chase with the ship while keeping somewhat of a fix on its position. When I go to the Hydrophones myself, I see what is happening. The phones are being submerged occassionally when my boat buries into the heavy seas, so I am occasionally able to hear the merchant ahead of me. I do not hear it the entire time I am listening, but I will hear it for enough time to get a location on the merchant. I have not tried this is calm seas yet. 3) Then the most frustrating part of it. When I get in close to the merchant, my sound-room crewman starts reporting "No Sound Contact". It is like he leads me in real close, and then decides to go deaf on me leaving me to fend for myself. Well, fine, I go to the Hydrophones myself to listen for the sound contacts again. Nothing. I can't hear a thing no matter how long I sit there and try to find the merchant again. Then I submerge, and I will pick the merchant up with the Hydrophones completely away from me somewhere since it took so long to find it again. Very frustrating. Why am I not getting any map updates from my sound-room? Why does the sound-room all of a sudden lose contact with the ship when it is in close? I think the opposite should happen, he should hear the ship better when we are closer to it. One of my sound-room men are "Radio" Qualified, and the ohter is not. My green bar is nearly half filled I believe.