OT: Dave Millers Book "U-Boats" Question

12-10-06, 12:03 PM

I am looking at Erminio Bagnasco's Submarines of World War Two (p.60) and, although there's no words on this point, there's a schematic there of the Type II that certainly seems to show two periscopes. The taller of the two is forward of the other.

Lanzfeld · 12-10-06, 12:15 PM

Thank you Seth and Kiwi....

I will assume the picture I see of U-1 in Millers book (A type IIA) the forward "periscope" is maybe a flagstaff or something.

Anyone else with this book can confirm?

Thanks again!

Lanzfeld · 12-10-06, 12:18 PM

In our sim....

Does the Type IIA have the 2 periscopes?:hmm:

Lanzfeld · 12-11-06, 07:51 PM

Well after going to several bookstores today and seeing some more pictures of Type IIA's and B's I have come to the conclusion that several of our trusted technical U-boat books are wrong. In every photo of the early Type II's there are, indeed, two periscopes and not one. All the books say that the second scope was added to the Type IIC's and D's but all the pictures show different.

Monocell · 12-11-06, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

In our sim....

Does the Type IIA have the 2 periscopes?:hmm:

Yes.

Related question: Does anyone ever use the observation scope?

fredbass · 12-11-06, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocell

Related question: Does anyone ever use the observation scope?

I've found that the smaller magnification can work sometimes in clear water when I'm submerged and looking for mines to avoid.

don1reed · 12-12-06, 11:07 AM

I find in, Eberhard Rössler's book, THE U-BOAT The evolution and technical history of German submarines, two schematics of the typ IIA class, 1 shows the boat with one scope and the other with 2 scopes. The blueprint of CV707 show it with 2 scopes.

Lanzfeld · 12-12-06, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by don1reed

I find in, Eberhard Rössler's book, THE U-BOAT The evolution and technical history of German submarines, two schematics of the typ IIA class, 1 shows the boat with one scope and the other with 2 scopes. The blueprint of CV707 show it with 2 scopes.

Then I have, indeed, found a historical misprint/misconception with all these books.

I have to say that the Type IIA's and B's had 2 scopes.

AVGWarhawk · 12-12-06, 11:15 AM

Possible added scope after war began? One attack and the other for observations? Always good to have two scopes anywhy is one is buggered up!

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don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	I find in, Eberhard Rössler's book, THE U-BOAT The evolution and technical history of German submarines, two schematics of the typ IIA class, 1 shows the boat with one scope and the other with 2 scopes. The blueprint of CV707 show it with 2 scopes. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Possible added scope after war began? One attack and the other for observations? Always good to have two scopes anywhy is one is buggered up! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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12-10-06, 12:03 PM	#1
Kiwi Commandant Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I am looking at Erminio Bagnasco's Submarines of World War Two (p.60) and, although there's no words on this point, there's a schematic there of the Type II that certainly seems to show two periscopes. The taller of the two is forward of the other.

12-10-06, 12:15 PM	#2
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Thank you Seth and Kiwi.... I will assume the picture I see of U-1 in Millers book (A type IIA) the forward "periscope" is maybe a flagstaff or something. Anyone else with this book can confirm? Thanks again!

12-10-06, 12:18 PM	#3
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	In our sim.... Does the Type IIA have the 2 periscopes?:hmm:

12-11-06, 07:51 PM	#4
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Well after going to several bookstores today and seeing some more pictures of Type IIA's and B's I have come to the conclusion that several of our trusted technical U-boat books are wrong. In every photo of the early Type II's there are, indeed, two periscopes and not one. All the books say that the second scope was added to the Type IIC's and D's but all the pictures show different.