Litvinenko dead

[XabbaRus]

None taken Periscope. The sort of thing Putin would do Bort? I don't even think he is that callous. I don't think he gives two ****s about the likes of Litvinenko really. It was more likely he had dirt on someone else.

Putin's cold but not that cold.

[P_Funk]

Well if you'd care to recall Trotsky his assassination might also make you wonder why. Trostky was cast out of Soviet Russia and was a non existant threat to Stalin yet he had him killed anyway.

Putin is a very odd leader. Being that he was KGB I wouldn't think it odd that he'd do it. And I also ask even though there are certainly ex-spooks that would want to do this how could they access such a rare and limited compund without alerting or having the support of a nation? Certainly spooks not associated directly with any nation wouldn't really use such rare materials to assassinate someone would they given the number of more cost effective ones, even ones that would leave a marker?

And I do believe Putin is this cold. Putin is ex KGB. Ex high ranking KGB. To be one of them you have to be pretty much a sociopath.

[mr chris]

I think the is more to this than meets the eye:hmm: Though we will never know more than the powers that be wish us to know

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by mr chris

I think the is more to this than meets the eye:hmm: Though we will never know more than the powers that be wish us to know

Thers always more than meets the eye. Do you think that ther'd be TV shows like Spooks or Bond movies if there wasn't?

[XabbaRus]

And you think only KGB spooks are just like this.

You can't compare the Trotsky asassination with this one.

Having popped over to the BBC Have YourSay and there are a lot of people spouting off not having a clue about Russia apart from the little bits here and there.

As I said it is a suspicious way of killing someone but to immediately think it must be Putin and the Kremlin when there is no proof or even indications apart from they way it was done is crazy. The BBC is almost saying the Kremlin did it.

[P_Funk]

Im not saying that the KGB is somehow unique or that this is exactly the same the Trotsky assasination. What i meant by mentioning that is that leaders often view a threat where there is none or see eliminating it as a preventative measure.

I dont claim to be an exert on Russia, past or present. Im also not saying the BBC isn't manufacturing this. I'm just exploring ideas.

[sonar732]

I am shocked that Kapitan hasn't inputed something here. :rotfl::rotfl:

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

As I said it is a suspicious way of killing someone but to immediately think it must be Putin and the Kremlin when there is no proof or even indications apart from they way it was done is crazy. The BBC is almost saying the Kremlin did it.

This seems fairly even-handed to me ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6180432.stm ) , have you any examples to back up your statement?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

None taken Periscope. The sort of thing Putin would do Bort? I don't even think he is that callous. I don't think he gives two ****s about the likes of Litvinenko really. It was more likely he had dirt on someone else.

Putin's cold but not that cold.

He does care. Everyone against Putin these days is dying - assasination style.

[XabbaRus]

Can't believe you guys. It is all supposition, rumour and blown out of proportion.

There is no prrof. I ttook the doctors three weeks to try and figure out what was killing him and then whoops, within 12 hours of his death it turns out to be polonium. Why did it take 3 weeks to figure this one out.

The whole way he was killed has been so convoluted even for a spec ops assasination.

They guy had been in the UK for 5 years. Previous to that he'd written his book. Why now? Hardly anyone in the UK knew who this guy was until a week ago, it wasn't like his stuff was doing the rounds in the general public in the news every few days.

I think this has got more to do with the Russian mafia than the Kremlin. I'd even go so far as saying that maybe it was done because whoever did it new the fingers would immediately jump to point at Putin. Now who in the UK has an axe to grind against Putin, Berezovsky, I woldn't put it past that sum'bitch to do something like that.

[MadMike]

Litvinenko may not have had dirt on Putin, but he obviously P.O.'d someone in the FSB (KGB)- then again, how many Russian journalists have been assassinated since Putin took power?
Due to it's toxicity and relatively short half life, I'm not surprised of it's use by an FSB operative.
I'll guarantee that AWE, MI-5, etc., will find out the source.

Yours, Mike

[SeaQueen]

Originally Posted by MadMike

I'll guarantee that AWE, MI-5, etc., will find out the source.

And someone at the CIA will say, "Do any of you guys remember when we had people who could find this kind of thing out?"

[Yahoshua]

Or of when the CIA knew about an incident before CNN did?

Anyway, it does raise the question as to who the assasin is trying to intimidate into silence or flush out of their hole. It'd be far less messy and avoid any PR problems by making the death appear to be of natural causes, not many would suspect the death of an ex-spy via natural causes to be an assasination by a foreign agent (unless somebody in the intelligence division had a few hackles raise on the back of their necks).

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Can't believe you guys. It is all supposition, rumour and blown out of proportion.

There is no prrof. I ttook the doctors three weeks to try and figure out what was killing him and then whoops, within 12 hours of his death it turns out to be polonium. Why did it take 3 weeks to figure this one out.

The whole way he was killed has been so convoluted even for a spec ops assasination.

They guy had been in the UK for 5 years. Previous to that he'd written his book. Why now? Hardly anyone in the UK knew who this guy was until a week ago, it wasn't like his stuff was doing the rounds in the general public in the news every few days.

I think this has got more to do with the Russian mafia than the Kremlin. I'd even go so far as saying that maybe it was done because whoever did it new the fingers would immediately jump to point at Putin. Now who in the UK has an axe to grind against Putin, Berezovsky, I woldn't put it past that sum'bitch to do something like that.

No - it is not blown out of proportion by any means. You have a man who is ordered to kill opposition members of Putins party leave the KGB for that very reason and seek assylum in the UK. You have an ex-KGB agent who is investigating the assasination of a female journalist who was investigating the Putin administration herself. You now have a dead ex-KGB agent poisoned and dead from something that could 'only' come from a nuke reactor since it is not found in nature in significant quantities, and is still 'rare' in a nuke reactor. It is not something your mob person can buy you might say.

The high profile of the case and the poison used was not meant to be secret, but it was meant for other opposition people to get a message - this will happen to you if you speak negatively about Putin. Plain and simple.

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that the fallout from this little manuver is going way out further than the Putin administration had figured however. This is the part that you are saying is blown out of proportion. It is the same part the Putin administration didn't bank on.

Such is the way of life - unpredictable. Sorry for not being politically correct - I gave up on PC long ago, and maybe this is what Putin was banking on - the West to be 'PC' about it and for it all to go away.

-S

[Wim Libaers]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

They guy had been in the UK for 5 years. Previous to that he'd written his book. Why now? Hardly anyone in the UK knew who this guy was until a week ago, it wasn't like his stuff was doing the rounds in the general public in the news every few days.

Well, his publisher certainly has a motive, but those businesses usually don't own nuclear reactors or neutron sources :hmm: