Aegis Cruiser Sunk as Target

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

He's working on the Subs Being Decomissioned Due to Lack of Fuel tangent.

This thread is about the sinking of the USS Valley Forge (CG 50) on 2 November. The decomissioning and handling of SSNs is a completely seperate matter, largely due to the fact that handling radioactive material is a lengthy and expensive process. As such, the two items cannot be adequately compared.

[Kapitan]

If the USN inserted a plug and gave them a VLS bank they would be upto date modern CG's simply because they dont have VLS they are seen as a burden and its too expencive to convert the now ageing hulls as the life they have left is short so whats the point of keeping an obsolete unit in service if you can do little with it? its a bit like the perrys

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

If the USN inserted a plug and gave them a VLS bank they would be upto date modern CG's simply because they dont have VLS they are seen as a burden and its too expencive to convert the now ageing hulls as the life they have left is short so whats the point of keeping an obsolete unit in service if you can do little with it? its a bit like the perrys

That would probably be less expensive than cleaning up a decommissioned SSN.

[Kapitan]

It would be but what you rather spend your money on an old unit that has 20 years or so behind it and is ageing has about 10 years left on its clock or a brand new unit which has more capibility and a good 30 to 40 years life span in it?

Seems that the americans are taking the replace old with new route.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

It would be but what you rather spend your money on an old unit that has 20 years or so behind it and is ageing has about 10 years left on its clock or a brand new unit which has more capibility and a good 30 to 40 years life span in it?

Seems that the americans are taking the replace old with new route.

But the Ticos are not being replaced. In fact, the article stated that there were no plans to scrap the others. Not upgrading Valley Forge seems to be a waste to me.

[Kapitan]

If they upgraded the lot of them it wouldnt be a waste no quite right i know they are not going to replace them ive crossed the lines again but the ones that have been paid off have only got 10 years hull life left anyway there are more capible ticos out there, some one like South Korea or Australia or Canada might benefit from them but the USN wont get much out of them.

Theres always a good reason to get rid of ships sometimes its just the cost of crewing them not the acctual vessel.

Personaly i think the USN over crews its ships and submarines it could do the same with less people and it would save a fair bit of money with it.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

If they upgraded the lot of them it wouldnt be a waste no quite right i know they are not going to replace them ive crossed the lines again but the ones that have been paid off have only got 10 years hull life left anyway there are more capible ticos out there, some one like South Korea or Australia or Canada might benefit from them but the USN wont get much out of them.

Bingo.

[bookworm_020]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

If they upgraded the lot of them it wouldnt be a waste no quite right i know they are not going to replace them ive crossed the lines again but the ones that have been paid off have only got 10 years hull life left anyway there are more capible ticos out there, some one like South Korea or Australia or Canada might benefit from them but the USN wont get much out of them.

Australia looked at buying a second hand Tico or a New Burke, but found they were too big and would cost too much maintain. Austalia is now going to build a Aegis destroyer (smaller than the burke).

The Sprunce Destroyers no one wanted as they cost a lot to run and maintain, as well as a large crew, compared to newer designs.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

some one like South Korea or Australia or Canada might benefit from them but the USN wont get much out of them.

We're already buying a couple, but i believe that they're a hell of a lot older than valley forge!

going slightly OT, as far as the decommissioning and downsizing of the attack sub fleet goes its silly when you get nations such as china, india, pakistan hell even indonesia massively upgrading and increasing their fleets. sure they're not needed right now, but in 5 or 10 years, they will be again! and lets face it, later model 688is and whatnot extend the potential threat. They can keep capital ships in harbour for fear of being sunk by an unseen, unheard adversary - and as subsim members, we all know how seriously good an asset that is!