SH4 Sub. Vs Sub.

[GV_Darkata]

IN SH4 it is POSSIBLE TO FIGHT ALSO SUB. VS SUB?
I HOPE SO MUCH OF
CIAO UN SALUTO A TUTTI DA GV_Darkata (secondo a nessuno)

[TDK1044]

You would be able to shoot a torp at a Japanese sub you spotted on the surface, but in terms of a submerged battle...no this will not be a part of SH4.

[Torplexed]

So far I don't think it has been confirmed that there even are any Japanese subs in SH4. However, I recall the sinking of Japanese subs in SH1 was a rather dull affair. They just sailed placidly along until you put a torpedo in 'em. They didn't try and submerge even if you missed or had a premature detonation. If there are Japanese subs I hope they are a little more awake.

[JU_88]

Lets hope they do have other subs this time, SH3 was kinda let down badly by that. At the moment the DEvs have said that AI subs are desirable but not essential, so if time allows they hope to include them. If they do lets hope they are smart enough to conduct submerged attacks etc.

You know there was one instance during WW2, where a British V class sub sunk a German IXD2 Uboat with a spread of torpedos while both vessels were submerged - the only instance of this ever happening in all of naval history.

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by JU_88

You know there was one instance during WW2, where a British V class sub sunk a German IXD2 Uboat with a spread of torpedos while both vessels were submerged - the only instance of this ever happening in all of naval history.

I hate to arrest you, mate, but the uboat that was sunk was an ViiC, and it happend outside of Norway...
The V-class was british, but the crew was Norwegian.

From uboat.net:

U-974

Type

VIIC

Laid down 26 Jun, 1942 Blohm & Voss, Hamburg Commissioned 22 Apr, 1943 Oblt. Joachim ZaubitzerCommanders 22 Apr, 1943 - 8 Nov, 1943 Joachim Zaubitzer9 Nov, 1943 - 19 Apr, 1944 Heinz Wolff Career 1 patrol 22 Apr, 1943 - 31 Oct, 1943 5. Flottille (training)
1 Nov, 1943 - 19 Apr, 1944 7. Flottille (front boat)
Successes No ships sunk or damagedFate Sunk 19 April, 1944 in the North Sea by Stavanger, Norway, in position 59.08N, 05.23E, by torpedoes from Norwegian submarine HNoMS Ula. 42 dead and 8 survivors.
The loss of U-974
The Norwegian submarine Ula fired a spread of 4 torpedoes towards U-974 at the range of about 1200 meters. One of those hit the boat just aft of the conning tower causing a major explosion which shook the Ula which crash dived and during that dive they could hear the U-974 break in two as it sank.
The boat was discovered in 1996 by a ROV at about 190m depth (ca. 580 feet). She is broken in two parts, one of about 15 meters and the second of around 40 meters in length. The wreck lies about 1000m south east of Loten on the western Bokanfjorden, near Stavanger, Norway.




From http://www.skovheim.org/located/rogaland/u974/u974.htm

The German submarine U 974 was torpedoed on 19. April 1944 by the Norwegian Submarine Ula when she was heading out from Bergen city, and the submarine broke in two pieces when she were hit by the torpedoes. The submarine sunk with forty two men in the deep, and only eight men of the crew survived this sinking. The German submarine had since she was laid down in Hamburg in 1942 been on only one patrol, thou without any sinking or sucesses. The sinking of U 974 was noted in the extremely effective German statistics and forgotten until 1996. The wreck was then discovered by the Norwegian navy vessel KNM Tyr with help from a ROV, which located the wreck at about 190m depth outside Stavanger city. The wreck lies approximately about one thousand meters south east of Loten in the western Bokanfjorden, near Stavanger city...

[BH]

Agree with the some of the other posters. Sub vs Sub was not a factor in the Second World War. Attacks on the surfaced happened very rarely.

The technology simply was not available to conduct submerged attacks against a submerged target.

Not to mention that most of the Japanese submarine force never left port as Japanese naval doctrine was to draw the enemy to the open and engage in large surface battles with battleships and heavy cruisers. The naval leadership largely underutilized their submarine force.

[Corsair]

@ Seth : Thks for info, was not aware of this event...

[DAB]

Originally Posted by _Seth_

I hate to arrest you, mate, but the uboat that was sunk was an ViiC, and it happend outside of Norway...
The V-class was british, but the crew was Norwegian.

From uboat.net:

U-974

Type

VIIC

Laid down 26 Jun, 1942 Blohm & Voss, Hamburg Commissioned 22 Apr, 1943 Oblt. Joachim ZaubitzerCommanders 22 Apr, 1943 - 8 Nov, 1943 Joachim Zaubitzer9 Nov, 1943 - 19 Apr, 1944 Heinz Wolff Career 1 patrol 22 Apr, 1943 - 31 Oct, 1943 5. Flottille (training)
1 Nov, 1943 - 19 Apr, 1944 7. Flottille (front boat)
Successes No ships sunk or damagedFate Sunk 19 April, 1944 in the North Sea by Stavanger, Norway, in position 59.08N, 05.23E, by torpedoes from Norwegian submarine HNoMS Ula. 42 dead and 8 survivors.
The loss of U-974
The Norwegian submarine Ula fired a spread of 4 torpedoes towards U-974 at the range of about 1200 meters. One of those hit the boat just aft of the conning tower causing a major explosion which shook the Ula which crash dived and during that dive they could hear the U-974 break in two as it sank.
The boat was discovered in 1996 by a ROV at about 190m depth (ca. 580 feet). She is broken in two parts, one of about 15 meters and the second of around 40 meters in length. The wreck lies about 1000m south east of Loten on the western Bokanfjorden, near Stavanger, Norway.




From http://www.skovheim.org/located/rogaland/u974/u974.htm

The German submarine U 974 was torpedoed on 19. April 1944 by the Norwegian Submarine Ula when she was heading out from Bergen city, and the submarine broke in two pieces when she were hit by the torpedoes. The submarine sunk with forty two men in the deep, and only eight men of the crew survived this sinking. The German submarine had since she was laid down in Hamburg in 1942 been on only one patrol, thou without any sinking or sucesses. The sinking of U 974 was noted in the extremely effective German statistics and forgotten until 1996. The wreck was then discovered by the Norwegian navy vessel KNM Tyr with help from a ROV, which located the wreck at about 190m depth outside Stavanger city. The wreck lies approximately about one thousand meters south east of Loten in the western Bokanfjorden, near Stavanger city...

Actually Ju-88 was referring to a different incident in 1945. I've posted on this in the past here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...3&postcount=29

[badhat17]

Originally Posted by _Seth_

I hate to arrest you, mate, but the uboat that was sunk was an ViiC, and it happend outside of Norway...
The V-class was british, but the crew was Norwegian.

From uboat.net:

U-974

Type

VIIC

Laid down 26 Jun, 1942 Blohm & Voss, Hamburg Commissioned 22 Apr, 1943 Oblt. Joachim ZaubitzerCommanders 22 Apr, 1943 - 8 Nov, 1943 Joachim Zaubitzer9 Nov, 1943 - 19 Apr, 1944 Heinz Wolff Career 1 patrol 22 Apr, 1943 - 31 Oct, 1943 5. Flottille (training)
1 Nov, 1943 - 19 Apr, 1944 7. Flottille (front boat)
Successes No ships sunk or damagedFate Sunk 19 April, 1944 in the North Sea by Stavanger, Norway, in position 59.08N, 05.23E, by torpedoes from Norwegian submarine HNoMS Ula. 42 dead and 8 survivors.
The loss of U-974
The Norwegian submarine Ula fired a spread of 4 torpedoes towards U-974 at the range of about 1200 meters. One of those hit the boat just aft of the conning tower causing a major explosion which shook the Ula which crash dived and during that dive they could hear the U-974 break in two as it sank.
The boat was discovered in 1996 by a ROV at about 190m depth (ca. 580 feet). She is broken in two parts, one of about 15 meters and the second of around 40 meters in length. The wreck lies about 1000m south east of Loten on the western Bokanfjorden, near Stavanger, Norway.




From http://www.skovheim.org/located/rogaland/u974/u974.htm

The German submarine U 974 was torpedoed on 19. April 1944 by the Norwegian Submarine Ula when she was heading out from Bergen city, and the submarine broke in two pieces when she were hit by the torpedoes. The submarine sunk with forty two men in the deep, and only eight men of the crew survived this sinking. The German submarine had since she was laid down in Hamburg in 1942 been on only one patrol, thou without any sinking or sucesses. The sinking of U 974 was noted in the extremely effective German statistics and forgotten until 1996. The wreck was then discovered by the Norwegian navy vessel KNM Tyr with help from a ROV, which located the wreck at about 190m depth outside Stavanger city. The wreck lies approximately about one thousand meters south east of Loten in the western Bokanfjorden, near Stavanger city...

I see no mention that both or infact either submarine was submerged during this engagement. As there were eight survivors from the U-boat then it would indicate to me that the U-boat was struck departing its base while still on the surface.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by badhat17

I see no mention that both or infact either submarine was submerged during this engagement. As there were eight survivors from the U-boat then it would indicate to me that the U-boat was struck departing its base while still on the surface.

Nope I was right all along, a V-class sunk an IXD2 in 45- saw a documentry on it a few weeks back so tttthhhhhppppppthhh!!!! at both you unbelievers.

[peterloo]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

So far I don't think it has been confirmed that there even are any Japanese subs in SH4. However, I recall the sinking of Japanese subs in SH1 was a rather dull affair. They just sailed placidly along until you put a torpedo in 'em. They didn't try and submerge even if you missed or had a premature detonation. If there are Japanese subs I hope they are a little more awake.

That's where modders come to party... Now we get Gato for SH3... cool!

[DaMaGe007]

I dont think a moder will be able to release a mod for Sh3 with Sh4 models in it, Copyright will mess up that idea. But Its possible a moder could write a Merger program which if you have both installed could allow sh3 moddels in 4 and Sh4 models in 3, even a supermod like Greywolves could have several install options depending on whats available as to which scr layers it uses ect.

Little bit of extra work, but well worth it imo.

Doesnt really adress the Sub AI issues tho.

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[Safe-Keeper]

According to the developers, no. You can, however, take command of a group of escort ships and pit them against player subs.