In your humble opinion

Takeda Shingen · 10-21-06, 07:00 AM

There's always a long line for the Nautilus.

Oberon · 10-21-06, 08:49 AM

Hmmmm....depends on your classification of the word 'best', I mean the 212 and 214 are probably some of the quietest boats in the world...but I would choose an Alfa over them because of the radical design and beauty of the boat.

After that monologue though, I think I would choose the Oberon (Gods, what a surprise!!), with a close second being the Sierra II. Dunno what it is about the Sierra II, but she has a hold on me.

ASWnut101 · 10-21-06, 11:38 AM

Me like the Delta, too. If only it didn't have such a weird rudder.....
But the best (and I know its not a kilo) has to be:

second (maby first) fastest sub in the world.
quietest nuclear sub in the world.
most expensive sub in the world.
Deepest diving SSN in the US fleet.
most advanced sub in the world.

beat it.

SUBMAN1 · 10-21-06, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Me like the Delta, too. If only it didn't have such a weird rudder.....
But the best (and I know its not a kilo) has to be:

second (maby first) fastest sub in the world.
quietest nuclear sub in the world.
most expensive sub in the world.
Deepest diving SSN in the US fleet.
most advanced sub in the world.

beat it.

I have to point out that the Alfa is not only faster than the Seawolf, but it is also the deepest diving for an attack sub. 2500 feet last I saw, and it will do 45 to 50 knots. Of course my data may be old, but I know it beats the Seawolf in those two areas.

-S

SUBMAN1 · 10-21-06, 12:24 PM

Here are the Alfa specs:

Laid down: 1974 Launched: 1977 Commissioned: 1977 General Characteristics Displacement: 2300 tons surfaced, 3200 tonnes submerged Length: 81.4 metres Beam: 9.5 metres Draught: 7.6 metres Propulsion: OK-155 or BM-40A, 155-MWt Lead cooled fast reactor
40000 shp steam turbine, one shaft Speed: 18-24 knots surfaced, 43-45 knots submerged Depth: 800 m test, 1300 m crush Complement: 27 officers, 4 petty officers Armament: Six 533-mm (21-inch) torpedo tubes:
18 SET-65 or 53-65K torpedoes
20 VA-111 Shkval torpedoes
21 SS-N-15 cruise missiles
12 SS-N-16 cruise missiles
24 mines

1300 meters = 4265 feet (That is deep)

45 knots is damn fast too. that is just barely over 51 MPH. Getting close to torpedo territory.

Skybird · 10-21-06, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Here are the Alfa specs:

Laid down: 1974 Launched: 1977 Commissioned: 1977 General Characteristics Displacement: 2300 tons surfaced, 3200 tonnes submerged Length: 81.4 metres Beam: 9.5 metres Draught: 7.6 metres Propulsion: OK-155 or BM-40A, 155-MWt Lead cooled fast reactor
40000 shp steam turbine, one shaft Speed: 18-24 knots surfaced, 43-45 knots submerged Depth: 800 m test, 1300 m crush Complement: 27 officers, 4 petty officers Armament: Six 533-mm (21-inch) torpedo tubes:
18 SET-65 or 53-65K torpedoes
20 VA-111 Shkval torpedoes
21 SS-N-15 cruise missiles
12 SS-N-16 cruise missiles
24 mines

1300 meters = 4265 feet (That is deep)

45 knots is damn fast too. that is just barely over 51 MPH. Getting close to torpedo territory.

At that speed it would not trigger additional attention if they had attached a siren to the nose like those StuKas once had.

JSLTIGER · 10-21-06, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Here are the Alfa specs:

Laid down: 1974 Launched: 1977 Commissioned: 1977 General Characteristics Displacement: 2300 tons surfaced, 3200 tonnes submerged Length: 81.4 metres Beam: 9.5 metres Draught: 7.6 metres Propulsion: OK-155 or BM-40A, 155-MWt Lead cooled fast reactor
40000 shp steam turbine, one shaft Speed: 18-24 knots surfaced, 43-45 knots submerged Depth: 800 m test, 1300 m crush Complement: 27 officers, 4 petty officers Armament: Six 533-mm (21-inch) torpedo tubes:
18 SET-65 or 53-65K torpedoes
20 VA-111 Shkval torpedoes
21 SS-N-15 cruise missiles
12 SS-N-16 cruise missiles
24 mines

1300 meters = 4265 feet (That is deep)

45 knots is damn fast too. that is just barely over 51 MPH. Getting close to torpedo territory.

At that speed it would not trigger additional attention if they had attached a siren to the nose like those StuKas once had.

Plus, the Alfas have all been withdrawn from service. I'm forced to agree with ASWNut101: Seawolf.

SUBMAN1 · 10-21-06, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Here are the Alfa specs:

Laid down: 1974 Launched: 1977 Commissioned: 1977 General Characteristics Displacement: 2300 tons surfaced, 3200 tonnes submerged Length: 81.4 metres Beam: 9.5 metres Draught: 7.6 metres Propulsion: OK-155 or BM-40A, 155-MWt Lead cooled fast reactor
40000 shp steam turbine, one shaft Speed: 18-24 knots surfaced, 43-45 knots submerged Depth: 800 m test, 1300 m crush Complement: 27 officers, 4 petty officers Armament: Six 533-mm (21-inch) torpedo tubes:
18 SET-65 or 53-65K torpedoes
20 VA-111 Shkval torpedoes
21 SS-N-15 cruise missiles
12 SS-N-16 cruise missiles
24 mines

1300 meters = 4265 feet (That is deep)

45 knots is damn fast too. that is just barely over 51 MPH. Getting close to torpedo territory.

At that speed it would not trigger additional attention if they had attached a siren to the nose like those StuKas once had.

The Alfa isn't a quiet sub anyway. They created the Mk48 to go to 3000 feet+ just to catch it since I don't think stealth was on the drawingboard when this thing was designed. It was designed to come in, do its business, and then get the heck out of dodge before it could be attacked. at 45 knots, a torp would have a hard time catching it was the idea.

-S

Skybird · 10-21-06, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101

beat it.

Depends on place, time, environment, and the comparison of the efficiency of the sonar suits of both competing boats. Your choice is not invulnerable, and can be beaten.

I probably would also choose the 212/214, if I could choose the place. Can't get any quieter than this, currently, and some grim armament possible.

If needing to patrol globally, I probably would choose a nuclear boat, too.

10-21-06, 11:38 AM	#3
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Me like the Delta, too. If only it didn't have such a weird rudder..... But the best (and I know its not a kilo) has to be: second (maby first) fastest sub in the world. quietest nuclear sub in the world. most expensive sub in the world. Deepest diving SSN in the US fleet. most advanced sub in the world. beat it. __________________

10-21-06, 12:24 PM	#5
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here are the Alfa specs: Laid down: 1974 Launched: 1977 Commissioned: 1977 General Characteristics Displacement: 2300 tons surfaced, 3200 tonnes submerged Length: 81.4 metres Beam: 9.5 metres Draught: 7.6 metres Propulsion: OK-155 or BM-40A, 155-MWt Lead cooled fast reactor 40000 shp steam turbine, one shaft Speed: 18-24 knots surfaced, 43-45 knots submerged Depth: 800 m test, 1300 m crush Complement: 27 officers, 4 petty officers Armament: Six 533-mm (21-inch) torpedo tubes: 18 SET-65 or 53-65K torpedoes 20 VA-111 Shkval torpedoes 21 SS-N-15 cruise missiles 12 SS-N-16 cruise missiles 24 mines 1300 meters = 4265 feet (That is deep) 45 knots is damn fast too. that is just barely over 51 MPH. Getting close to torpedo territory. __________________ Last edited by SUBMAN1; 10-21-06 at 12:27 PM.

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10-21-06, 07:00 AM	#1
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	There's always a long line for the Nautilus.

10-21-06, 08:49 AM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Hmmmm....depends on your classification of the word 'best', I mean the 212 and 214 are probably some of the quietest boats in the world...but I would choose an Alfa over them because of the radical design and beauty of the boat. After that monologue though, I think I would choose the Oberon (Gods, what a surprise!!), with a close second being the Sierra II. Dunno what it is about the Sierra II, but she has a hold on me.