Not Again

[Bort]

I won't even tell you what's in the trunk of my car.

What, a bazooka? I didn't know concealed carry went that far...

You opined earlier about how stupid you thought the FL law was, which is certainly within your rights, but you're implication then, and in again in this post, is that there is something wrong with Florida's approach...the term "vigilante action" is a dead giveaway. Your tone seems to be, "any other state that does it differently is too stupid to know any better"...or did I read too much into it?

I just think that, unless all other options have been exhausted, use of lethal force should not be authorized by any state. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I'm not calling the entire state of Florida stupid, but I am saying that they may be misguided in the course of action they have pursued in the name of personal protection.
Self protection is vigilantism if it is used in a manner disproportionate to the threat, which I believe carrying a concealed weapon makes far more likely. People make mistakes in charged situations, even without firearms being part of the equation, and lets face it, there are plenty of people out there that neither you nor I would want carrying guns in public around our families, whether it is legal or not.

[madDdog67]

Originally Posted by *[FOX]* Bort

What, a bazooka? I didn't know concealed carry went that far...

I just think that, unless all other options have been exhausted, use of lethal force should not be authorized by any state. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I'm not calling the entire state of Florida stupid, but I am saying that they may be misguided in the course of action they have pursued in the name of personal protection.
Self protection is vigilantism if it is used in a manner disproportionate to the threat, which I believe carrying a concealed weapon makes far more likely. People make mistakes in charged situations, even without firearms being part of the equation, and lets face it, there are plenty of people out there that neither you nor I would want carrying guns in public around our families, whether it is legal or not.

no bazooka lol...actually the only thing in my trunk usually is my subwoofer...but it's a Kicker, not a Bazooka.

Even in the states that grant them, a Concealed Carry permit isn't a license to shoot people willy nilly...and the fact remains that it's only the honest, law abiding folks who go through the trouble of getting a permit...the bad guys don't worry about stuff like that. I really don't think the removal of the requirement to flee is that big of a deal, personally...you'd still have to answer for murder charges if you just haul off and shoot someone for no reason.

Look at the crime rates of permit holders .vs the general public, and the permit holders are much much less likely to commit a crime, in every comparison that I've ever seen. And, seriously, real world stats just don't bear out the gunfight at the OK Corral mentality that the VPC always says will follow the easing of CC laws, and now the Castle Doctrine.

[Yahoshua]

...even if I had been, I would have invoked my own right to move freely from state to state, a right far more important and precious than the right to have a firearm....

Those firearms will guarantee your rights. Blood was spilled to get them, and it will cost only a few hundred dollars worth of deterrence to keep it.

Self protection is vigilantism if it is used in a manner disproportionate to the threat...

So if a knife-wielding criminal breaks into my home, it would be disproportionate for me to respond with a firearm?

Along the same lines, is it disproportionate for a LEO to respond with a .45 against an armed and dangerous criminal armed with a .22?

It is the responsibility of the citizens to protect the country. Always has been. That is even part of the second amendment.

Besides, if the citizens are not req to protect the country, than who is? The government is also the citizens.

Yes, agreed. And although we're doing a ho-hum job of it, Switzerland is what the United States should be like. Where the population of the United States itself is a standing army. Criminal problem solved right there, since everyone will have the discipline necessary to being a law-abiding citizen.