(Rant) More focus on gameplay, less on graphics

Charlie901 · 09-13-06, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

Grainy textures and poor quality dials are areas that modders can actually change, adding people and lifeboats and decent port activity are things only the developers can do properly. The harbour trafic mod was restricted, the ships were always there and they didnt move, once again the developers need to do it for it to work properly

New ship models, subs, and towns/harbours are a given, of course they need to be made. The graphics will improve no one is saying don't change them, just that it doesnt need to be the main FOCUS.

They are making the game for US not Nvidia and ATI.

EDIT:
and well said CB..

AMEN!!!

Immacolata · 09-14-06, 01:30 AM

[QUOTE=Charlie901]

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

Grainy textures and poor quality dials are areas that modders can actually change, adding people and lifeboats and decent port activity are things only the developers can do properly. The harbour trafic mod was restricted, the ships were always there and they didnt move, once again the developers need to do it for it to work properly

So you suggest they should just leave the game ugly to accomodate modders? That is not very nice towards the 90% of the buying gamers that do not use mods, is it? A wee bit egotistical even?

DaMaGe007 · 09-14-06, 04:19 AM

You are a master of missing the point.
Im not even going to bother explaining it to you.

Immacolata · 09-14-06, 05:35 AM

No I understand perfectly your argument. I would prefer they shipped SHIV with as solid and detailed an engine as possible, which no one can meddle with due to CP. Then left the accesible parts like puckering up and cfg-file hax0ring in open files.

However that isn't really good is it? They should purposefully neglect the appearance of the game and thereby the overall impression it will receive to satisfy a few hardcore simmers wish? I keep saying, graphics and gameplay go hand in hand in such games. ITs like discussing women. You want them pretty or smart? Preferably both, right?

TDK1044 · 09-14-06, 06:03 AM

ITs like discussing women. You want them pretty or smart? Preferably both, right?[/quote]

Crude but accurate, Immacolata.

But you don't have to dress them in name brand clothes if they look almost as good with generic brand and at half the price. This argument reminds me of that saying in the music industry "great video, shame about the song." Perfect world is great graphics and great game play, but most people will settle for good graphics great game play rather than the other way around.

I don't think there's an answer to this question. It's a subjective judgement made by each individual.

CB.. · 09-15-06, 05:44 AM

it's the interesting details that get left out...there is nothing quite like knowing they are there right from the go..as it has you looking for these surprises as you play ...think of them as easter eggs...if you like...but relevant easter eggs...they may not happen every patrol but they are there...it's the difference between self assembly furniture and hand crafted top quality furniture...from a distance they may look the same...they may both do the job perfectly well....but you don't spend hours polishing flat pack furniture...never mind the width ..feel the quality i tell you there is infinitely more detail and depth in a traditional board game such as Monopoly..than any computer game were likely to see..now then if the cat and mouse between player and the enemy ASW was as involved unpredictable and replayable as solving the murder in Cluedo....i'd be over the moon...as time goes by i begin to yearn more and more for dice and cards...
roll the dice...get number 4 ...destroyer turns right.. roll again... get 2 ...destroyer slows...
turn card...get sonar scan....destroyer pings....roll dice get 5....destroyer detects me...
roll dice... get 1....doesn't have my depth...roll again..get 3..it drops DC's...
and so on...
it's as old as the hills..but it works

evertime the encounter would be entirely unique...
don't give a flying hoot wether the results would be classicaly "realistic" on paper..
the in game experience would be perfect..too many people want the game to be something other than a game..

Immacolata · 09-15-06, 06:01 AM

You GOT to lay off the omission abuse there pal. That ... was ... like ... some ... kind ... of ... animé ... speech ... bubble ... torture. Kind.... of.... hard... to .... read.... let ... alone... con...cen...tra...te ... on.:rotfl:

09-15-06, 05:44 AM	#6
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	it's the interesting details that get left out...there is nothing quite like knowing they are there right from the go..as it has you looking for these surprises as you play ...think of them as easter eggs...if you like...but relevant easter eggs...they may not happen every patrol but they are there...it's the difference between self assembly furniture and hand crafted top quality furniture...from a distance they may look the same...they may both do the job perfectly well....but you don't spend hours polishing flat pack furniture...never mind the width ..feel the quality i tell you there is infinitely more detail and depth in a traditional board game such as Monopoly..than any computer game were likely to see..now then if the cat and mouse between player and the enemy ASW was as involved unpredictable and replayable as solving the murder in Cluedo....i'd be over the moon...as time goes by i begin to yearn more and more for dice and cards... roll the dice...get number 4 ...destroyer turns right.. roll again... get 2 ...destroyer slows... turn card...get sonar scan....destroyer pings....roll dice get 5....destroyer detects me... roll dice... get 1....doesn't have my depth...roll again..get 3..it drops DC's... and so on... it's as old as the hills..but it works evertime the encounter would be entirely unique... don't give a flying hoot wether the results would be classicaly "realistic" on paper.. the in game experience would be perfect..too many people want the game to be something other than a game.. __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats Last edited by CB..; 09-15-06 at 05:56 AM.

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09-14-06, 04:19 AM	#3
DaMaGe007 Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 338 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You are a master of missing the point. Im not even going to bother explaining it to you.

09-14-06, 05:35 AM	#4
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	No I understand perfectly your argument. I would prefer they shipped SHIV with as solid and detailed an engine as possible, which no one can meddle with due to CP. Then left the accesible parts like puckering up and cfg-file hax0ring in open files. However that isn't really good is it? They should purposefully neglect the appearance of the game and thereby the overall impression it will receive to satisfy a few hardcore simmers wish? I keep saying, graphics and gameplay go hand in hand in such games. ITs like discussing women. You want them pretty or smart? Preferably both, right?

09-14-06, 06:03 AM	#5
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	ITs like discussing women. You want them pretty or smart? Preferably both, right?[/quote] Crude but accurate, Immacolata. But you don't have to dress them in name brand clothes if they look almost as good with generic brand and at half the price. This argument reminds me of that saying in the music industry "great video, shame about the song." Perfect world is great graphics and great game play, but most people will settle for good graphics great game play rather than the other way around. I don't think there's an answer to this question. It's a subjective judgement made by each individual.

09-15-06, 06:01 AM	#7
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	You GOT to lay off the omission abuse there pal. That ... was ... like ... some ... kind ... of ... animé ... speech ... bubble ... torture. Kind.... of.... hard... to .... read.... let ... alone... con...cen...tra...te ... on.:rotfl: