Are we sure it wasn't thermite?

[Torplexed]

It musta been termites! Mutant government termites. :rotfl:

It's more believable than huge teams of demolitions experts, who had no problem wiring one of the largest buildings in the world working every night for what had to be months (and that's only if they had a big enough crew) placing maybe 10,000 separate charges in each tower and another few thousand in WTC 7 (the smaller WTC tower that also collapsed, later in the day on 9/11).

And nobody noticed.

Truckloads of charges, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them.

Had to be termites. Had to be.

[The Avon Lady]

It is really pathetic that this still has to be said: Conspiracy Cranks - Creating Crazed '9/11 Truth'.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

It is really pathetic that this still has to be said: Conspiracy Cranks - Creating Crazed '9/11 Truth'.

Thanks for the link, Avon.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Fish

Thanks for the link, Avon.

Why are you still talking with such crackpots?

Are you a major in psychology? Is this for your doctorate? These people are just plain crackers!

[Immacolata]

It is probably easier than making real political work, you know. involve yourself in something that matters.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Why are you still talking with such crackpots?

Are you a major in psychology? Is this for your doctorate? These people are just plain crackers!

No, I just like to F*ck them up. :rotfl:

They are so serieus.

Must be my blackside.

[Skybird]

Does anyone know why the better part of the radio tapes that recorded the communication between the firefighter batallions still is kept secret? I can hardly imagine it is for respect for affected families or something like that. The NYT published some part and even has it up running as a media stream file, like the snippert I linked to, but the vast majority of comms still is kept secret. when a fuel-loaded airplane crashes into a building and is said to produce a fire hot enough to melt steel, I simply would expect a far hotter, and greater fire than those two limited pockets of fire the firefighters were reporting from just one floor below. Instead, the fuel of the airplane apparently had burned out within minutes. This is one of the things that needs to be answered in order to end conspiration theories.

Concerning Jones, just have a look at that report of his in which he argues on the basis of some ancient pictures engraved in stone that Jesus after he rose from the grave visited America. Reminds me of Erich von Däniken. Anyhow - has anyone cared to read his full pdf I linked? That is not Däniken-style.

What I also would like to know is why building No.7 collapsed so completely, although never having been hit by anything, and other building also surviving the vibrations of the tower's collapse.

[The Avon Lady]

Page down about the WTC 7 collapse.

You're a big boy, Skybird. You should be able to find this by yourself by now. You should also be thinking more level headedly. I'm sorry but I find this ratrap unbecoming of you, based on your numerous writings in the past.

Dumber and dumber, as this continues.

[Smaragdadler]

...Aber wie, so fragt der Spiegel, hätte man die Gebäude mit Sprengstoff spicken sollen, ohne daß jemand plaudert? Nun, vielleicht hat bei der Verminung der Türme der Umstand geholfen, daß für die Sicherheit im World Trade Center eine Firma namens Stratesec zuständig war, in deren Vorstand ein gewisser Marvin Bush saß, ein Bruder des US-Präsidenten. Eine interessante Verbindung. Nur das FBI war nicht dieser Meinung. Bei ihm hätte sich kein Mensch vom FBI oder einer anderen Behörde nach den Aktivitäten der Firma im Zusammenhang mit dem 11.9. erkundigt, sagte Stratesec-Geschäftsführer Barry McDaniel. Das ist nicht weiter überraschend, denn nach Auskunft eines FBI-Sprechers werden die Ermittlungen in Sachen 11.9. seit Oktober 2001 »auf nationaler Ebene koordiniert« – »direkt aus dem Weißen Haus«. Also letztlich von Marvins Bruder George W. Bush.

Source: http://www.jungewelt.de/2006/09-11/004.php

summary:
The security of the WTC was done by a firm called Stratesec. One of the bosses of
Stratesec is Marvin Bush.
One other manager of Stratesec is called Barry McDaniel. He says the FBI, investigating 9/11, never had questions about the activities of his firm in the time before 9/11.
That is no suprise, because since October 2001 all investigation about 9/11 is "coordinated on national level" - "directly out of the White House".
This means in the end by Marvins brother George W. ...

[joea]

Right all those lines and wires and explosives would have been noticed by nobody.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by joea

Right all those lines and wires and explosives would have been noticed by nobody.

Right as the working thermite should be seen just before the towers collapse (they say all colums on all floors are cut off with thermite)


This from someone who worked with thermite:

have a degree in mechanical engineering, and I have worked with structural steel, but in bridges rather than buildings. I am in no sense qualified to hold an opinion on the structural engineering aspects of the collapse. I have significantly more experience with explosives and demolitions, and I have used linear shaped charges and thermite. I have not done any work in controlled demolition of buildings, and I'm not qualified to evaluate Jones' work, except as a layman. His work does not have the ring of truth. Jones writes like someone who has read about, but never used, explosives. "I maintain that these observations are consistent with the use of high-temperature cutter-charges such as thermite, HDX or RDX or some combination thereof, routinely used to melt/cut/demolish steel." This is technobabble. In what sense is RDX a high-temperature cutter-charge? What does that even mean? Is he suggesting that linear shaped charges of RDX melted the steel? From what I've seen the results of shaped charges on steel are more like tearing. Later he refers to pools of molten metal weeks after the event. Certainly thermite will melt steel, but how much thermite are we talking about? Truckloads? (By the way, I think some back-of-the-envelope heat-transfer calculations are in order there.) Rigging a skyscraper for controlled demolition is a massive undertaking, and a disruptive one. You would need open access to the structural members for weeks, there would be detonating cord everywhere, other members would probably need to be protected from damage so they didn't fail at the wrong time, and the workers would probably tear up the drywall and trash the carpets. And then what about priming the whole thing? Is it going to be left for weeks or months with blasting caps installed in the high explosives? I don't think so. And where is all this thermite going to be? I don't see how it would be possible to do this secretly. I don't see any basis for concluding that these puffs of smoke are from 'squibs.' He seems to just say they must be, because squibs can make puffs of smoke. "See the puffs of smoke? Those are squibs. How do I know they're squibs? Because of the puffs of smoke." I read through his paper, and read through (parts of) the NIST and FEMA reports, and the Popular Mechanics article. Jones' work sounds like junk science; The NIST and FEMA reports are less exciting, but seem solid and workman-like. Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I'm not qualified to do a point-by-point debunking of Jones' work. It doesn't really matter what I think anyway. All we can do here is write, "This is what Jones says" and "This is what others say." Everyone with an interest has to read and make up his mind. Tom Harrison Talk 20:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
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[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Smaragdadler

summary:
The security of the WTC was done by a firm called Stratesec. One of the bosses of
Stratesec is Marvin Bush.
One other manager of Stratesec is called Barry McDaniel. He says the FBI, investigating 9/11, never had questions about the activities of his firm in the time before 9/11.
That is no suprise, because since October 2001 all investigation about 9/11 is "coordinated on national level" - "directly out of the White House".
This means in the end by Marvins brother George W. ...

Even the tin-foil hat loonies at the DU said enough is enough.

When will the world grow up?!