Legal status of mods?

[joea]

Originally Posted by The Noob

@joeaYour last post? Goodbye then...

Bump not post, your usename is very appropriate. (Joke) Bump means to push up a thread again, I posted, no one answered for a few days so I bumped it once to get a response that's all.


@ Wulfmann, sorry I would like to see laws, paragraph and number. If freeware mods are technically illegal, and X1/CP took illegal mods to put in their approved payware product, isn't that illegal? :hmm:

CFS3 is a bad example. I really don't think, with the possible exception of MSFS, that companies care about the modding community. Also products as bad as CFS3 should not have to be "fixed" by the mod community. What does that have to do with the cancelation of CFS4 anyway? We should not complain when companies release crud games?? You make it sound like the "ungratitude" of the public made them cancel CFS4, rather than disappintment with CFS4 which had broken with the pattern of previous MS sims and was not even compatible with the civie line. Of course as it is all speculation as no one knows the real story.

So basically we should shut up and not complain about immoral activity and sh#t payware.

[Wulfmann]

This only shows how both S and J do not want to face reality and want to attack me with this as an excuse.
Pathetic.

The book bit is preposterous and not applicable here. A better example would be if someone took War and Peace, used most of the same book but changed a few words (The mod maker) and then declares he owns the book and not the published author.
Ubi owns these files and you agree to that when you install the game. The fact they leave it open is partially so we will improve it for our pleasure and later, if they so choose, there treasure.

You keep saying I am defending X-1.
I am not.
I am trying to explain reality to people that are in denial.
Demanding something be done about something nothing will be done has no merit in reality.
The fact something is not right or moral or nice has nothing to do with legality.
J, you ask me to quote what law? This has been investigated many times and not once has any cause been shown that has any legal merit. Not once.
Don’t agree.
Sue.
I dare you or anyone.
But, at that point you will lose and end the SH series.

You will really show them.

Making inaccurate assertions to satisfy your unhappiness with this add on does not do anything but stir the pot and continues a negative aspect.

The opposite of love is not hate. It is indifference.

I was part of a team advising on CFS4 so have a clue but am sure you would know more about something you know nothing.
CFS3 required being totally rebuilt by the mod community, which we did and made it far superior to IL-2. Anyone that got into it had to be willing to spend huge amounts of time tweaking and most just wanted to fly in WWII so IL-2 was much better for them (as well as much better online)
But, I did not have to attack IL-2 because the gaming community preferred it 10 to 1. I was indifferent to it as I was involved in something far superior. I simply did not care and did not bother with it.

You, however, are far from indifferent over Seawolves and are throwing a hissy fit over something none of us can do anything about.
Except choose not to buy it. That does not require a post here and is actually more effective.
Wulfmann

[_Seth_]

[/quote] The book bit is preposterous and not applicable here. A better example would be if someone took War and Peace, used most of the same book but changed a few words (The mod maker) and then declares he owns the book and not the published author.
Ubi owns these files and you agree to that when you install the game. The fact they leave it open is partially so we will improve it for our pleasure and later, if they so choose, there treasure.

[/quote]

A better example would be if someone took (IE) the mod makers work, used most of the same mod but changed a few things (X1) and then declares he owns the mod, and not the mod maker who made it different. (X1 even sold it)

Does X1 own the .exe type files? or the .ogg? or .jpeg, .mp3, .txt, .cfg and so on??
Then my whole computer belongs to X1..

Maybe, just maybe they own the "composition", but when a modder changes that, the file isnt the original one anymore. And if X1 "own" the original one, they sure as h*** doesnt own the other one (the one that the modder made, using letters and words that human evolution has made possible). If i buy a house (or some files), and i decide to build an extension/annex (which would make the house look different, and more valuable), who could stop me? The seller cant say "dont do it, because the house is copyrighted!" He cant even have some of the profit im making on a sale....
And if someone "steals" my extended house, and try to sell it themselves (with the annex and everything), how about that??

I respect your fight, wulfmann, but sometimes people just have too see behind the money and the greed, and think more ethical and morally over their actions..

[CWorth]

"Does X1 own the .exe type files? or the .ogg? or .jpeg, .mp3, .txt, .cfg and so on??
Then my whole computer belongs to X1.."

That right there is the main point.X1 nor Ubi own any of these filetypes.

Also what the modders do falls under the "Fair Use Act" of the copyright laws.Here permission is not needed to modify the work.

The mods made by the members here are for non-profit work the benefits the public.So they fall under the "Fair Use Act" of the copyright laws.

This is part from a book on copyright laws that I have..Its called "The Copyright Handbook" by Attorney Stephen Fishman.

Congress passed a law authorizing the use of copyrighted materials in certain circumstances deemed to be "fair" -- even if the copyright owner doesn't give permission.
Often, it's difficult to know whether a court will consider a proposed use to be fair. The fair use statute requires the courts to consider the following questions in deciding this issue:

• Is it a competitive use? (In other words, if the use potentially affects the sales of the copied material.)
• How much material was taken compared to the entire work of which the material was a part?
• How was the material used? Is it a transformative use? (If the material was used to help create something new it is more likely to be considered a fair use that if it is merely copied verbatim into another work. Criticism, comment, news reporting, research, scholarship and non-profit uses are most likely to be judged fair uses. Uses motivated primarily by a desire for a commercial gain are less likely to be fair use).

As a general rule, if you are using a small portion of somebody else's work in a non-competitive way and the purpose for your use is to benefit the public, you're on pretty safe ground. On the other hand, if you take large portions of someone else's expression for your own purely commercial reasons, the rule usually won't apply.

[John Channing]

Hands up everyone here that has actually read the EULA when they installed SH3.



That's what I thought

JCC

[Dowly]

*raises hand*

It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work,
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.

[HunterICX]

CUT THIS X1 CRAP!
We have enough topics about this crapload about X1

How many do we need when all result in the same bitch fight.

Those who think the products of X1 is full of stolen mods
Answer: DONT BUY IT!

those who wanna buy it
Note: Whats on that CD are the same things you can download RIGHT here for free. on Subsim provided by many mod maker that share their work with us and let us enjoy it.

My meaning is:

Whatever X1 does , I dont care I just ignore it and do not buy any of their products in my part they can stick their CD right up their @sses.

HunterICX Out.....

[joea]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

This only shows how both S and J do not want to face reality and want to attack me with this as an excuse.
Pathetic.

The book bit is preposterous and not applicable here. A better example would be if someone took War and Peace, used most of the same book but changed a few words (The mod maker) and then declares he owns the book and not the published author.
Ubi owns these files and you agree to that when you install the game. The fact they leave it open is partially so we will improve it for our pleasure and later, if they so choose, there treasure.

You keep saying I am defending X-1.
I am not.
I am trying to explain reality to people that are in denial.
Demanding something be done about something nothing will be done has no merit in reality.
The fact something is not right or moral or nice has nothing to do with legality.
J, you ask me to quote what law? This has been investigated many times and not once has any cause been shown that has any legal merit. Not once.
Don’t agree.
Sue.
I dare you or anyone.
But, at that point you will lose and end the SH series.

You will really show them.

Making inaccurate assertions to satisfy your unhappiness with this add on does not do anything but stir the pot and continues a negative aspect.

The opposite of love is not hate. It is indifference.

I was part of a team advising on CFS4 so have a clue but am sure you would know more about something you know nothing.
CFS3 required being totally rebuilt by the mod community, which we did and made it far superior to IL-2. Anyone that got into it had to be willing to spend huge amounts of time tweaking and most just wanted to fly in WWII so IL-2 was much better for them (as well as much better online)
But, I did not have to attack IL-2 because the gaming community preferred it 10 to 1. I was indifferent to it as I was involved in something far superior. I simply did not care and did not bother with it.

You, however, are far from indifferent over Seawolves and are throwing a hissy fit over something none of us can do anything about.
Except choose not to buy it. That does not require a post here and is actually more effective.
Wulfmann

First, grant me the courtesy of calling me by my name, Joe and not an initial. Second, where have I attacked you? I just asked some questions and you answered them with this and your previous post. Not entirely to my satisfaction, as I would like to know if in fact there ever was a court case on this issue or the investigations you mention.

As for CFS vs. Il2, well you were on the CFS very good, and I NEVER claimed I knew why it was cancelled. You said it yourself the gaming community preferred it 10 to 1, and you graciously decided not to attack it because you were involved in something "superior" (never mind that Eirc Brown the famous British test pilot was very impressed with IL2/FB, critical too but thought it quite accurate, but your history knowledge is so broad I guess). Right, as if that is the same as what X1/CP are accused of doing. Sorry for the sarcasm, but I was always trying to be polite, asking pointed questions is not the same as attacking, if I had a mod would have said something, too bad you can't see the difference.

All well I can only laugh: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Here since you like these smilies have a few extra from me: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seriously not worth my time anymore, I already have NOT bought SW or MED:u-boat so that is that. I will not keep quiet about games/sims I am unhappy with, or addon producers who produce substandard schlock either.