What did Sonalysts leave out of the manual?

[goldorak]

All the tactical aspects have been left out of the manual.
But since there are very good comunity tutorials, some of which were done for sc but that apply equally well for dw, i don't see a problem.
The only platform that really needs a tactical tutorial is the frigate.

[SeaQueen]

Originally Posted by goldorak

All the tactical aspects have been left out of the manual.

Isn't that the point of wargaming, though? To experiment with tactics on your own?

[Kapitan]

If they had coverd everything the book would be the size of canary wharf and it would take you half your life to read.

By not putting everything in this book you will find that A) its not such a boring read B) it will advance your learning and also help you experiment with your tactics and C) gives some of us an excuse to write a manual on the bits they missed out.

My under ice guide has been up graded and will go for another upgrade soon !

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by SeaQueen

Isn't that the point of wargaming, though? To experiment with tactics on your own?

Not when you're trying to learn the game.
Just knowing what each button does is not sufficient to be able to play at dw, and i think thats the biggest hurdle new players have basing themselves only on the manual.

[SeaQueen]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Not when you're trying to learn the game.
Just knowing what each button does is not sufficient to be able to play at dw, and i think thats the biggest hurdle new players have basing themselves only on the manual.

Fair enough. I guess it's possible that having played naval sims in the past, I tend to gloss over stuff. I think that the section on TMA could definitely be expanded on.

I can't help but feel that a "tactics manual" is something best provided by the community, because the kinds of scenarios that people in the community play dictate the most appropriate tactics. It's difficult for a company to anticipate what people actually do with a simulator like DW. I'm sure the kinds of things that someone with real life experience with naval matters is interesting in experimenting with are quite different from someone who has only ever seen The Hunt for Red October.

It'd be interesting, though, if the company actually released a tactics manual, to see if that would influence the kinds of scenarios people made.

[Linton]

Reading the flight manual for a 747 will not teach you to fly it proficiently.You need other background knowledge and learning to do it.The same goes for the manual we currently have.A tactics manual must be on the top of the list for the community to do.
A submariner in real life would not put to sea only knowing what the knobs did without knowing how to put the whole thing together

[Kapitan]

I wish i could tell you more but im afraid the tactics i use for MP games are my own, and are a closely gaurded seacret, i dont want to spit them out as i know they will be used against me someday.

and im sure its like that for others as well.

[Skybird]

What manual are you talking about, Kapitan - that for SC, or that for DW? As mediocre and ill-structured the manual for SC was, as superior was the manual for DW. It's the one thing that I always left beyond any doubt and criticism. I wished more manuals would be done like that for DW.

I sold my CDs again months ago - but kept the manual - that much I love to read in it occasionally!

[SeaQueen]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

I wish i could tell you more but im afraid the tactics i use for MP games are my own, and are a closely gaurded seacret, i dont want to spit them out as i know they will be used against me someday.

and im sure its like that for others as well.

I was wondering when someone would say something like that. I guess the trick to writing a "tactics manual" would be to not make it too specific, and at least somewhat open ended, so that while it might describe a general way that one might think about the problem, it doesn't say anything specific like, "open fire at XX kyds, with these torpedo presets, in situation Z."