[TEC] Harbor Editor

Jeff-Groves · 12-08-24, 04:16 PM

After a lot of thinking on it? I've got most of it worked out in my head.
I'm not good at programing things for 3D viewing but I can manipulate the heck out of the obj format! As 010 does use a type of C coding? I may even make a stand alone program at some point to handle the transformations.

Now I know just enough about Blender (Even less about Wings3D) to be dangerous! So those that use those programs? I'll need some help.

I can tell you that Pack3D does a good job doing the mass export of needed files. BUT. Since many objects have multipule UVs? It stacks them all into the obj file. But that is not a problem as I only need the verts to do all the Math on.
Moving the objects is just a matter of adding the XYZ from a location.dat file to a given object file. Rotation is more complicated Math but I've already coded that!
The stuff I'm coding will do the heavy lifting work. Once you edit things in a 3D program and export the objects? The codeing will reverse that and spit out a PROPER Location.dat! You'll only need to MAYBE change IDs.
I've got a way to do that automagically also in my head and have posted before on how one can do that!

I've started the code to grab ID's and names of all 3D models in the Harbor_Kit.dat
That will rename all the 3D objects I've exported to the ID's.

Then I'll rip the needed stuff from a Location.dat to get things ready to import to a 3D program. It's pretty intense but I'm haveing a BLAST doing a Jethro Bodine on this!

Oh Yeah. I'll also be extracting the needed areas with ref's SH3 Tool and converting that information to an object file! Making it easier to do a Harbor or other location. Already did that kind of tool for SH5.

propbeanie · 12-08-24, 05:58 PM

Combination of a "tease" and what you can do with the HarborKit dat file "assets" exported with S3D and brought into Blender:

Lots of "parts" missing, lots of "overlaps", etc., but the Placement nodes in S3D can be built or populated from the Blender Location and Rotation slots. We are currently working on trying to get a 2D rendering of the docks for a reasonably accurate placement in the SH4 game, but the same can be done with the SH3 Locations.cfg file in the Terrain folder. It's just more frustrating to work in SH3 in this regard...

propbeanie · 12-08-24, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

... Moving the objects is just a matter of adding the XYZ from a location.dat file to a given object file. Rotation is more complicated Math but I've already coded that!
The stuff I'm coding will do the heavy lifting work. Once you edit things in a 3D program and export the objects? The codeing will reverse that and spit out a PROPER Location.dat! You'll only need to MAYBE change IDs.
I've got a way to do that automagically also in my head and have posted before on how one can do that!

I've started the code to grab ID's and names of all 3D models in the Harbor_Kit.dat
That will rename all the 3D objects I've exported to the ID's.
...

Cool beans Maynard! especially that ID and names of the 3D models... for the above, I had to search the name, verify I had the intended "asset", and then copy the node's ID to use for the Placement. Nothing difficult per se, but definitely something a script can do much more efficiently that this old brain fahrt can...

Jeff-Groves · 12-08-24, 07:47 PM

Having Blender open and S3D to get all the information is a Super PITA!
And hours/Days/Weeks to do!

I plan to have a Brand New Location.dat done is a day or 2.

How are you getting the XYZ and Rotation information from Blender?

propbeanie · 12-08-24, 08:17 PM

With your Blender project open, you select one of the 3D items, such as that "150m12.5_dig" showing in the "Collection" in the right-hand pane. You then select (if it doesn't default to it) the "Object Properties", which is that little orange solid box inside the brackets there between the 3D window, and the lower right-hand pane. That will have the X, Y and Z Location, as well as the X, Y and Z Rotation. Those numbers can be used directly in the Placement node. The problem comes in with the differences between the S3D (maybe Pack3D also) obj "orientation". S3D like to export the 3D obj "vertically", like an airplane or ship on its tail, whereas Blender likes things horizontally, on its wheels. It's been too long since I worked with something exported with Pack3D, so I do not remember its orientation. Anyway, suffice to say, you might have to reverse the Y and Z Locations and/or Rotations, and possibly have to convert from a negative number to a positive for one of the Location settings. Besides all that "looking things up manually", experimenting with the Placement build in the game is almost always necessary. So view it in-game before going much beyond a few of the obj Object Properties, or you might find you end up with a jumbled mess, like I had for a good while. Sometimes also, a person has a tendency to over-think things though, and combined with covid brain, it can get ugly...

Jeff-Groves · 12-08-24, 10:33 PM

Well my Good Friend propbeanie,

I find that information Great! But you know Me. I can write code around things like that. Any help you and others give is welcome!

Mister_M · 12-09-24, 01:51 AM

Hum. Maybe it would be far easier to build a harbour directly into the Harbour_kit.dat, and create the harbour file (in locations) with only ONE placement node which points to this harbour... So, the Harbour_kit.dat works like a harbour editor.

Jeff-Groves · 12-10-24, 11:57 AM

Mister_M, Yes it can be done that way. I'm not interested in doing it that way though. And that does not help to Edit existing Harbors.

Thanks to propbeanie I've located the built in move and rotate panel.
I'm not a Blender user so I have to learn things. One thing I've learned is Running a script in Blender. Now that is exactly what I plan to do.
I'll write a script that will do the relocation of objects in Blender in Mass.
The Scripts for 010 will read the needed information then spit out a complete script for Blender.

12-08-24, 04:16 PM	#1
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,656 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	After a lot of thinking on it? I've got most of it worked out in my head. I'm not good at programing things for 3D viewing but I can manipulate the heck out of the obj format! As 010 does use a type of C coding? I may even make a stand alone program at some point to handle the transformations. Now I know just enough about Blender (Even less about Wings3D) to be dangerous! So those that use those programs? I'll need some help. I can tell you that Pack3D does a good job doing the mass export of needed files. BUT. Since many objects have multipule UVs? It stacks them all into the obj file. But that is not a problem as I only need the verts to do all the Math on. Moving the objects is just a matter of adding the XYZ from a location.dat file to a given object file. Rotation is more complicated Math but I've already coded that! The stuff I'm coding will do the heavy lifting work. Once you edit things in a 3D program and export the objects? The codeing will reverse that and spit out a PROPER Location.dat! You'll only need to MAYBE change IDs. I've got a way to do that automagically also in my head and have posted before on how one can do that! I've started the code to grab ID's and names of all 3D models in the Harbor_Kit.dat That will rename all the 3D objects I've exported to the ID's. Then I'll rip the needed stuff from a Location.dat to get things ready to import to a 3D program. It's pretty intense but I'm haveing a BLAST doing a Jethro Bodine on this! Oh Yeah. I'll also be extracting the needed areas with ref's SH3 Tool and converting that information to an object file! Making it easier to do a Harbor or other location. Already did that kind of tool for SH5. Last edited by Jeff-Groves; 12-08-24 at 04:25 PM.

12-08-24, 05:58 PM	#2
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,117 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Combination of a "tease" and what you can do with the HarborKit dat file "assets" exported with S3D and brought into Blender: Lots of "parts" missing, lots of "overlaps", etc., but the Placement nodes in S3D can be built or populated from the Blender Location and Rotation slots. We are currently working on trying to get a 2D rendering of the docks for a reasonably accurate placement in the SH4 game, but the same can be done with the SH3 Locations.cfg file in the Terrain folder. It's just more frustrating to work in SH3 in this regard... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

12-08-24, 08:17 PM	#5
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,117 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	With your Blender project open, you select one of the 3D items, such as that "150m12.5_dig" showing in the "Collection" in the right-hand pane. You then select (if it doesn't default to it) the "Object Properties", which is that little orange solid box inside the brackets there between the 3D window, and the lower right-hand pane. That will have the X, Y and Z Location, as well as the X, Y and Z Rotation. Those numbers can be used directly in the Placement node. The problem comes in with the differences between the S3D (maybe Pack3D also) obj "orientation". S3D like to export the 3D obj "vertically", like an airplane or ship on its tail, whereas Blender likes things horizontally, on its wheels. It's been too long since I worked with something exported with Pack3D, so I do not remember its orientation. Anyway, suffice to say, you might have to reverse the Y and Z Locations and/or Rotations, and possibly have to convert from a negative number to a positive for one of the Location settings. Besides all that "looking things up manually", experimenting with the Placement build in the game is almost always necessary. So view it in-game before going much beyond a few of the obj Object Properties, or you might find you end up with a jumbled mess, like I had for a good while. Sometimes also, a person has a tendency to over-think things though, and combined with covid brain, it can get ugly... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

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12-08-24, 07:47 PM	#4
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,656 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Having Blender open and S3D to get all the information is a Super PITA! And hours/Days/Weeks to do! I plan to have a Brand New Location.dat done is a day or 2. How are you getting the XYZ and Rotation information from Blender?

12-08-24, 10:33 PM	#6
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,656 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Well my Good Friend propbeanie, I find that information Great! But you know Me. I can write code around things like that. Any help you and others give is welcome!

12-09-24, 01:51 AM	#7
Mister_M Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 930 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Hum. Maybe it would be far easier to build a harbour directly into the Harbour_kit.dat, and create the harbour file (in locations) with only ONE placement node which points to this harbour... So, the Harbour_kit.dat works like a harbour editor.

12-10-24, 11:57 AM	#8
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,656 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Mister_M, Yes it can be done that way. I'm not interested in doing it that way though. And that does not help to Edit existing Harbors. Thanks to propbeanie I've located the built in move and rotate panel. I'm not a Blender user so I have to learn things. One thing I've learned is Running a script in Blender. Now that is exactly what I plan to do. I'll write a script that will do the relocation of objects in Blender in Mass. The Scripts for 010 will read the needed information then spit out a complete script for Blender.