Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

Oh do I wish it was true-That Putin already had lost the war in Ukraine.

We are bombarded with propaganda from both side of this conflict.

I who support Ukraine have an tendency to believe what comes from Ukraine and the West. I am aware of this.

Therefore I expect the worse and hope for the best.

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Russian food prices are soaring — but no one dares blame Putin and the war

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/25/russ...ng-butter.html
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[mapuc]

I say we aren't close, despite the new doctrine in Russia



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[Jimbuna]

Congress halts Ukraine aid as new administration takes charge

The Speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, stated that Congress will not pass a new aid package for Ukraine in the coming weeks, as Joe Biden's administration proposed. Johnson announced that he would wait for Donald Trump to be sworn in and for his instructions.

Biden's administration requested the inclusion of $24 billion in the budget to support Ukraine, of which $16 billion was to replenish the US arsenals, and $8 billion for purchasing new weapons for Kyiv. Johnson stated that the situation in Ukraine is changing rapidly and decisions on this matter should belong to the new president.

"I do not plan to do this. I think changes are occurring every hour in Ukraine, and—as we predicted, and as I told you all a few weeks before the elections—if Donald Trump is elected, it will change the dynamics of the Russia-Ukraine war. And we are seeing that happening. So it's not Joe Biden's role to make such decisions," said Johnson during a press conference.

"We have a newly elected president, we will wait and follow the guidance of the new commander-in-chief. Therefore, I do not expect any funding for Ukraine right now," he added.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...c68820b9&ei=56

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Oh do I wish it was true-That Putin already had lost the war in Ukraine.

We are bombarded with propaganda from both side of this conflict.

I who support Ukraine have an tendency to believe what comes from Ukraine and the West. I am aware of this.

Therefore I expect the worse and hope for the best.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/25/russ...ng-butter.html
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Not only Russian food prices are soaring, but winter crops is failing, Russian metals giant Rusal announced Monday that it will reduce aluminum production by at least 6% due to surging raw material costs and declining domestic demand, At least three Russian oil refineries could face closures next year as declining exports, high crude oil costs and soaring interest rates lead to mounting financial losses, Russian businesses are bracing themselves for a financial crunch that could put many of them out of business, Russia began importing Turkish butter last month with an initial 20-ton shipment. President Vladimir Putin has previously contended that Russia's war economy is well-balanced to supply both guns and butter, the Armageddon with butter is escalating we wouldn't be surprised if butter repeats last year's situation with eggs and the list goes on the problems will only grow. Coffin prices in Russia have soared by 74% since the start of full-scale invasion.

[Jimbuna]

Germany is building bunkers, Sweden distributes nuclear survival guides: Europe prepares for war

Things are getting increasingly tense in Europe, and several European nations are taking active steps to prepare what could be World War III.

The threat from Russia to Ukraine's allies is becoming more and more real, especially after Vladimir Putin's recent threat against the USA, France and Great Britain due to the nations allowing Ukraine to use long-range missiles in Russia.

Germany is now also reacting and is drawing up a plan in case Russia decides to attack. German authorities have realized that the country no longer has enough bunkers to keep its entire population safe, so it is time to upgrade.

According to the German newspaper Build, the current solution is therefore a bunker plan that the federal government is developing together with the states to improve Germany's security.

Germany isn't the only European country feeling paranoid. On November 18, the Swedish government announced it would be mailing out millions of booklets titled 'In Case of Crisis or War' offering guidance to residents.

CNN reported that the 32-page Swedish booklet, first introduced during World War II, will place a "greater emphasis on preparing for war," per a statement from the Swedish government on November 18.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...ei=54#image=16

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

General Gerasimov, Chief of Russia's General Staff, called General Brown, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff last week. “at the request of General Gerasimov, General Brown agreed to not proactively announce the [very rare] call.” Interestingly, Gerasimov told Brown that the Oreshnik IRBM strike on Ukraine was planned long before President Biden authorized limited ATACMS strikes on internationally recognized Russian territory. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/04/u...eral-call.html

[Dargo]

Russian marine surrenders in Kursk Oblast, reveals what’s happening in Russia’s army

Russian command is sending its troops to storm Ukrainian positions in Kursk Oblast after just two days of preparation. This was revealed in a video posted by the Crimean Wind public Telegram channel on Dec. 5, in which a soldier from the 810th separate guard marine brigade shared his experience. In the footage, the prisoner of war (POW) stated that he was from Moscow. “I signed a contract, then after the contract, they sent us to Kursk for training. In Kursk, we spent two days preparing—two days building a bakery, two days cleaning the area. Overall, there was zero preparation. They shot off two magazines and that’s it,” the Russian soldier said. He added that the attitude of Russian commanders toward their soldiers is “very bad.” “The commander says: Go. There’s no turning back. If you go back, we’ll wipe you out right away,” the POW explained about how Russians are sent on storming missions. The Russian soldier said he realized that his only chance to stay alive was to surrender.

On Aug. 12, Ukrainian President Zelenskyy confirmed the Defense Forces’ operation in Kursk Oblast, Russia for the first time. On Oct. 10, Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Oleksandr Syrskyi reported that Russia had transferred 50,000 soldiers to Kursk Oblast from other fronts. On Nov. 5, Defense Minister Rustem Umerov stated that the first small clash between Russian and North Korean forces occurred in the Kursk direction. On Nov. 10, The New York Times reported that Russia and North Korea were preparing a large offensive in Kursk Oblast, which could begin in the coming days. On Nov. 11, The Telegraph, citing its sources, reported that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin had ordered the return of Kursk Oblast to Russian control by Jan. 20, the inauguration day of elected U.S. President Donald Trump.

On Nov. 20, Bloomberg reported that Ukrainian Defense Forces had used Storm Shadow missiles for the first time to strike Russian territory, targeting a Russian military command center near Mariyno. A source within Ukraine’s Armed Forces told NV that as of Nov. 22, Ukraine’s Defense Forces controlled 800 square kilometers of Kursk Oblast, with the maximum area held by Ukrainian troops in the region at 1,376 square kilometers. The Center for Countering Disinformation at Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council denied reports that Ukraine’s Defense Forces had been instructed to hold Kursk Oblast until the inauguration of Donald Trump. https://english.nv.ua/nation/russian...-50471873.html

[mapuc]

When will we see the first start of massive demonstration in Russia due to high prices on food ?

Will it ever happen ?

Because the Russian economy is in a bad shape

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

When will we see the first start of massive demonstration in Russia due to high prices on food ?

Will it ever happen ?

Because the Russian economy is in a bad shape

Markus

Moscow and St. Petersburg are Russia what happens in those cities will decided Putin's fate Putin will make sure that those two regions stay happy. These regions are the wealthiest of Russia, think he like the soviets can keep them happy. That is why he does no mass mobilization there, it is too dangerous for his position. If change comes, it must come from the inner circle, Moscow and St. Petersburg will follow that. There is no organized united opposition ready to revolt like in 1917. Putin will rob the rest of Russia like Stalin did to feed and keep Moscow and St. Petersburg happy, but this can backfire, like every plan of Putin since 2022 backfire.

[Skybird]

^^^ Just a reminder. Putin is not peace-loving Gorbachev.

And peace-loving Gorbachev was not the peace-loving dove Germans take him for - he just realised he had no other choice than to do the way he did. Russia was done, imminent collapse ahead.

I mean: Putin will use troops to keep Moscow and St. Petersburg under control, if need be. The Russian opposition never was that by Western understanding of this term, and never was it as weak as it is now. It has always been dramatically overestimated.

Not that i see riots breaking out there any time soon. Some people are already dividing up the bear's skin before they have even killed it. I think it is likely that the war will end in 2025: on Putin's terms. In itself, that is a military victory for Russia. Whatever price Russia will pay for it economically in the future - that is something that does not change the results of the war in Ukraine. Ukraine is in ruins, not Russia. Ukrainian cities were wiped out, not Russian cities. Ukraine lost a fifth of its terrirtoy, and significant parts of its heavy industry, economy, agriculture. To me, the term "victory" means a bit more than just mere survival. Germany too survived 1945, and later came back. But nobody would claim "it won the war". The scars of the war can be witnessed over here until today. There are bomb warnings every week, every day - until today.

And Ukraine today is the most heavily mined country in the world.

[mapuc]

This allowance came way too late-The go-ahead should have been given when the first long-range missiles arrived



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[Dargo]

The last time St. Petersburg saw the army suppressing demonstrators ended well for the Tsar, like in Moscow under soviet rule. You do not understand Russian history with decayed regimes inevitably elevate leaders of stunning incompetence, corruption and imbecility. Even the elites, in the end, do not want to defend them. Ruined cities can certainly be rebuilt in Ukraine. Ukraine is the west and will get all the capital investments from the west, Russia will get the scraps from the poorer anti-west bloc. Economically, with its combined GDP of approximately $17.18 trillion, the EU far outstrips Russia's $1.78 trillion. The bloc also races ahead of Russia in the high-tech components of its economy, which is pivotal for future development. Europe and the rest of the west will heavily invest in a +15 trillion rich country. What is in the occupied area (20%) are the industries of the past, what Ukraine has in its non-occupied area (80%) is vital for our high-tech economy. Without Ukraine, there would not be a USSR (Russia) for long Ukraine has a huge potential we in the west see you clearly not. I rather invest in a free, reliable partner than in Russia that no big investors will touch in decades to come because you easily lose your investment with Putin. It is simple mathematics, no politics this will happen because the markets want it to happen.

[Skybird]

The Tzar...? When was that...!? A yes, over one hudbred years, 103, almost 104 years to be precise. A whole USSR has come and gone since then. Generations.



Anther era. Another people. and other actors with other backgrounds. Another situational condition. Another Zeitgeist and spirit. Another political constellations. Nothgign to be compared.



Lets decide the next football championship by the tournament results 60 years back. Makes perfect sense.