Take that, you flyboys.

[Nexus7]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Lets keep the 2 things distinct.
In real life this was a test ok, there is nothing operational right now.
No sub has the capability to launch surface to air missiles.
So this aspect should not be included in the sim.

hmmmm :hmm: ... but a successfull test! It was launched from periscope depth and shot down a drone helicopter. If it's operational or not, is hard to know i think.

Originally Posted by goldorak

As to cheat i was referring in regards to the use of sams.
Its inconceivable that in 1 sec you can have the sub skirting under the surface and right after fire a sam.

Why?

Originally Posted by goldorak

You don't even have to clear the sail completely to fire.
The missiles themselves just hit whatever plane/helo is in the zone, you don't even have to put the crosshair on the target.

That's realistic apparently

Originally Posted by goldorak

For these reasons i called the use of sams a cheat.
And sub players using it as it is now in the game, are cheaters.

In DW, if you come to the surface to fire a SAM with air treaths around, you make a risky move, no warranty.

Be careful when you accuse someone of cheating: i consider it a serious offence. I know some cheaters from other games, and you gotta hate them so much you'd love to correct theyr attitude using a baseball mace! They brutalize the game coming up with fanta-fiction capabilities and doing very little effort, and almost always win.

I will keep using it, after all it's also the ONLY response I have against air treaths...

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Nexus7

hmmmm :hmm: ... but a successfull test! It was launched from periscope depth and shot down a drone helicopter. If it's operational or not, is hard to know i think.

It wasn't even on the water, let alone under it - it was launched from an Army Chaparral system.

Originally Posted by Driftwood

On another note I'd also like it if SCS would add the Virginia class boats to the "inventory." They're already out there.

Can't you just use the Seawolf? There are Virginias, yes, but there aren't that many of them. Unless there is anything really different in "feel" about them over the Seawolfs and 688s, I'd prefer they do something else first.

Originally Posted by Sub Sailor

I doubt that the US Navy Submarine Force is going to start hunting Aircraft.

For some reason, I think Raytheon disagrees with you:

Originally Posted by Brock McCaman

Successfully demonstrating the AIM-9X lock-on-after-launch mode from a vertical orientation launch is a major step toward providing our submariners with an unprecedented offensive and defensive capability

or

Originally Posted by Eldon Vita

This non-traditional launch of the AIM-9X provides the submarine force with an important element toward having the capability to strike enemy patrol aircraft, helicopters, and high speed patrol boats

What really concerns me is that some idiot might just take these and similar sentences to heart. Which is bad. Besides, the AIM-9X has to either have to be modified w/ folding wings (possible developmental problem), or only 1 would fit in a Tomahawk VLS tube, which is not a very efficient deployment because w/ modern tech a much longer-legged antiair weapon could have been stuffed in such big tubes - say a 5.65m long 9M96E2 antiair missile with a 240mm diameter body, 480mm wingspan and 1-120km range w/ ARH. Now THAT would give you something close to an offensive ability. The US can probably modify a PAC-3 Patriot w/ a bigger booster (I understand they are doing this now) and cutting some warhead to get similar performance, and perhaps change to a IR seeking head.

A 10km range weapon with maybe a 3000m ceiling will do little more than deter MAD runs and force enemy MPA fly higher. They can either lob torps DW style or create a market for air-launched versions of 91RE ASW missiles (over 50km because of high altitude deployment). I can almost see the Russians smiling...

[Wim Libaers]

Originally Posted by Nexus7

In DW, if you come to the surface to fire a SAM with air treaths around, you make a risky move, no warranty.

Not that risky. If you're coming up from below the layer to do it, yes, it's a risk. If you already are in shallow water, there is very little risk. The reason is that you're not surfacing to do it, you're just putting the top of the sail at water level. That's high enough to use the missile, but not enough to trigger the sensors in DW that track surface contacts. The only extra risks when at periscope depth are that you might have to slow down a little bit to prevent cavitation, and that someone might see the missile.

The effectiveness of the missiles is rather good too. Even if it doesn't hit, chances are good that the aircraft autopilot will crash the plane/helo while trying to evade when he's low enough.