So rich and yet so poor

[em2nought]

Real money is what I have in my safe deposit box, although I don't like the idea that I might not be able to get to it should I really need to. I am thinking of living in a country that is way more friendly to "real" money.

Good luck stopping wasteful spending by power hungry governments.

[mapuc]

I have the same dream as Gene Roddenberry had when he was alive.
A money free based society.

It can be done-I admit it would be almost impossible, but we are in fact getting there step by step.

Today you can buy or pay for everything without having real money between your fingers.

In the early morning-Money was important as bills had to be paid and food on the table. Today money is only a number on a computer screen.

So I say we are slowly getting there.

Markus

[Skybird]

And power's coming from the wallmount, food comes form the supermarket and nobody needs to do the dirty work anymore and if we lean back and open the mouth, honey and milk will flow down our throats.



Bartering is what its about, Markus. A real, honest money reflects that, becasue a comdooty of any kind used as money stems from the process of and agreeing on bartering. If you say that sort of money is not needed, you say that bartering is not needed anymore. But that implies that everybody has everything and all from nothing.


So despite the inherent implication of that then everybody would have way too much time to think of how to do something silly, my question to you is just this:


"How?"

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And power's coming from the wallmount, food comes form the supermarket and nobody needs to do the dirty work anymore and if we lean back and open the mouth, honey and milk will flow down our throats.



Bartering is what its about, Markus. A real, honest money reflects that, becasue a comdooty of any kind used as money stems from the process of and agreeing on bartering. If you say that sort of money is not needed, you say that bartering is not needed anymore. But that implies that everybody has everything and all from nothing.


So despite the inherent implication of that then everybody would have way too much time to think of how to do something silly, my question to you is just this:


"How?"

Today people get their money into their bank account and they don't have to have money between their fingers to live a good life.

In Gene's world people work to improve them self and the society they live in.

No it will NOT be a time of free milk and honey-People have to do work as good as they can and as much they can.

The Elder will earn points based on how much they have worked before their retirement.

I'm not an expert on this money-thing, I just have this dream an impossible dream it seems.

Markus

[Oubaas]

My Dad was right when I was a kid. I really DO want everything handed to me on a silver platter. That would be just fine with me!

Unfortunately, I already worked my entire life and retired. So it would just be a little extra gravy if it happened, at this late stage of my life.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Today people get their money into their bank account and they don't have to have money between their fingers to live a good life.

That difference is illusory, the one is banknotes and coins and both are not based on commodities, and the other is electrinic money or bookm money, again not basing on commodities. Both can be transferred into the other format, both are two aggregate states - to give it a name - of one and the same counterfeit money: FIAT money.



FIAT money and fractional reserve banking: the two master assassins of every economic systen and of liberal political order and freedom.


In Roddenberry's vision, people do not need to work for a living, its guaranteed. He assumed people would automatically do the idealistically best if given endless free time and free choice and all material needs are gone, no bills must be paid, and no economic responsibility emerges from endlessly taking from the ressourc epool, the common wealth. For ann utopiuc idelaist this ma ysounbd reasonabvle ti expect, foir a realist - well, I think we cna know it better. Its against human nature to be 100% altruistic, seeking self-realisation ony and caring maximum for all others. Man also is greedy, lazy, lustful, and never gets enough, wants to possess and to own - and ever more of stuff.



Roddenberry based on a population of self-aware Buddhas. Well. We are certainly far from that. We have had extebsuve freedoms and wealth in the West. Look what we voluntarily, needlessly made of them. Hardly something desirable, judging by the current state of things and the projected trends of where things will go further.


There must always be those who carry out the garbage and do the dirty work. And they don't do this to realize themselves, but for the standardized and standardizing consideration - MONEY. Milk and honey do not flow all by themselves.

[Oubaas]

A recent study found that if humans had unlimited leisure, 98.74% of the species would spend the rest of their lives looking at Internet porn and eating Doritos. The rest would get permanently drunk.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Today people get their money into their bank account and they don't have to have money between their fingers to live a good life.

In Gene's world people work to improve them self and the society they live in.

No it will NOT be a time of free milk and honey-People have to do work as good as they can and as much they can.

The Elder will earn points based on how much they have worked before their retirement.

I'm not an expert on this money-thing, I just have this dream an impossible dream it seems.

Markus

'My taxes fund government'
and 'MY money is in the bank..'


both those statments are - abit outdated to say the least.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Good luck stopping wasteful spending by power hungry governments.

Its called delay in filing for insolvency. In Germany at least that is a punishable crime. It is also about balance sheet fraud and immeasurable money counterfeiting as a means to an end.