Reuters caught doctoring photos in Lebanon war

August · 08-07-06, 07:49 AM

All i wanted to know is why in every casualty total of Palestinian or Lebanese casualties the numbers of fighters vs civilians are never broken down like Israeli casualties are.

I suspect, that given this and the above cited article, that Reuters and other western news organizations are being used as a propaganda outlet by the Arabs.

Yahoshua · 08-07-06, 08:12 AM

"But they can be problematic as well. How do we really know that these people have no agenda? Bloggers, for the most part, operate under the cloak of internet anonymity so, unlike the professional journalist, we can't even tell, again for the most part, whether they are who they say they are."

Good points, and those issues are always something to consider when reading something that is handed out to us from a "reputable" news outlet, and we should expect the same from bloggers: Honesty and Transparency.

If we don't know who they are, they will not have a crowd for long.

"I think blogging is an instution that is the answer to a propagandists dreams. That is not to say that all or even most bloggers have ulterior motives, but it can certainly provide fertle ground to spread disinformation."

Yep. But just replace the word blogger with any of the big corporations and the same thing can be said about them. I guess I'm looking more along future lines where we as a population either move away from the large corporations and towards bloggers. Or we break the companies down into the points of view they really hold.

For example in France, there is a Communist newspaper, a Socialist newspaper, a Unionist paper, etc. Each newspaper reports events from their point of view and everybody knows it. Perhaps this may in fact be the answer to our larger corporations instead of carrying on this charade of honesty when they are being proven to be outright liars at times with no clear-cut agenda.

And perhaps I should've re-phrased my use of the word "agenda." All of us have an agenda, but it is the difference between eachother as to whether we allow that agenda to influence our work or not. I guess that's more of what I was trying to say in my last post.

bradclark1 · 08-07-06, 08:30 AM

We can start a "Dishonesty in Truth" annual award and make Reuters the first recpient. Make it a gold leafed roll of toilet paper.

LoBlo · 08-07-06, 09:05 AM

The thing about bloggers is that they are absolutely influenced by personal agendas as anyone else. One or two people will obviously have personal political views (as everyone has) choosing what to report and what not to report, based on what they feel like reporting. How is that more "agenda proof" than any other source? Its not any better than any large news organizations.

What a blogger is free from is time/space compromising. A large news organization only has an 1/2 hour to report all the "worlds news" and a newspaper only have a few pages to put all the news in. So "news" competes with other news for reporting space, whatever is most eye-catching goes in... the rest is left out.

A blogger doesn't have those time/slot or article length restrictions so news items don't "compete" for attention as much IMHO, freeing them up from that pressure. But they are absolutely as influenced by personal agendas, probably more so.

tycho102 · 08-07-06, 12:59 PM

All news reporting has to be biased. There's just not time or room to "report" 10,000 stories. So everyone ends up either trying to find an agency that has the bias they are looking for, or they end up trying to convert all the other agencies to fit their bias.

Besides all this, Reuters is French, and France has sided with the jihadists since Charles DeGaulle decided they would. When I want to see jihadist propaganda, I specifically go looking at Reuters photos (usually via CNN or Yahoo). AP and AFP also play ball with the local dictators, but not to the same level as Reuters.

Man, either way, photoshopping photos is U. A. (Un-Authorized). I don't care what the bias is, liberal or warmongerish. Don't photoshop photos. Don't Premiere (or Ulead's Mediastudio) video.

bradclark1 · 08-07-06, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Man, either way, photoshopping photos is U. A. (Un-Authorized). I don't care what the bias is, liberal or warmongerish. Don't photoshop photos. Don't Premiere (or Ulead's Mediastudio) video

Does that mean they can use Paint Shop Pro?

Fish · 08-07-06, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tycho102

All news reporting has to be biased. There's just not time or room to "report" 10,000 stories. So everyone ends up either trying to find an agency that has the bias they are looking for, or they end up trying to convert all the other agencies to fit their bias.

Besides all this, Reuters is French, and France has sided with the jihadists since Charles DeGaulle decided they would. When I want to see jihadist propaganda, I specifically go looking at Reuters photos (usually via CNN or Yahoo). AP and AFP also play ball with the local dictators, but not to the same level as Reuters.

Man, either way, photoshopping photos is U. A. (Un-Authorized). I don't care what the bias is, liberal or warmongerish. Don't photoshop photos. Don't Premiere (or Ulead's Mediastudio) video.

The moment France will support Israël, they have a serious problem with their Islamic population.

Skybird · 08-07-06, 05:25 PM

Some additonal relections on the problem of manipulated pictures, and incompetent editors.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...p-against.html

08-07-06, 07:49 AM	#1
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,226 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	All i wanted to know is why in every casualty total of Palestinian or Lebanese casualties the numbers of fighters vs civilians are never broken down like Israeli casualties are. I suspect, that given this and the above cited article, that Reuters and other western news organizations are being used as a propaganda outlet by the Arabs. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

08-07-06, 08:12 AM	#2
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"But they can be problematic as well. How do we really know that these people have no agenda? Bloggers, for the most part, operate under the cloak of internet anonymity so, unlike the professional journalist, we can't even tell, again for the most part, whether they are who they say they are." Good points, and those issues are always something to consider when reading something that is handed out to us from a "reputable" news outlet, and we should expect the same from bloggers: Honesty and Transparency. If we don't know who they are, they will not have a crowd for long. "I think blogging is an instution that is the answer to a propagandists dreams. That is not to say that all or even most bloggers have ulterior motives, but it can certainly provide fertle ground to spread disinformation." Yep. But just replace the word blogger with any of the big corporations and the same thing can be said about them. I guess I'm looking more along future lines where we as a population either move away from the large corporations and towards bloggers. Or we break the companies down into the points of view they really hold. For example in France, there is a Communist newspaper, a Socialist newspaper, a Unionist paper, etc. Each newspaper reports events from their point of view and everybody knows it. Perhaps this may in fact be the answer to our larger corporations instead of carrying on this charade of honesty when they are being proven to be outright liars at times with no clear-cut agenda. And perhaps I should've re-phrased my use of the word "agenda." All of us have an agenda, but it is the difference between eachother as to whether we allow that agenda to influence our work or not. I guess that's more of what I was trying to say in my last post. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

08-07-06, 09:05 AM	#4
LoBlo Subsim Diehard Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas! Posts: 971 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 3	The thing about bloggers is that they are absolutely influenced by personal agendas as anyone else. One or two people will obviously have personal political views (as everyone has) choosing what to report and what not to report, based on what they feel like reporting. How is that more "agenda proof" than any other source? Its not any better than any large news organizations. What a blogger is free from is time/space compromising. A large news organization only has an 1/2 hour to report all the "worlds news" and a newspaper only have a few pages to put all the news in. So "news" competes with other news for reporting space, whatever is most eye-catching goes in... the rest is left out. A blogger doesn't have those time/slot or article length restrictions so news items don't "compete" for attention as much IMHO, freeing them up from that pressure. But they are absolutely as influenced by personal agendas, probably more so. __________________ "Seek not to offend or annoy... only to speak the truth"-a wise man Last edited by LoBlo; 08-07-06 at 09:08 AM.

08-07-06, 12:59 PM	#5
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	All news reporting has to be biased. There's just not time or room to "report" 10,000 stories. So everyone ends up either trying to find an agency that has the bias they are looking for, or they end up trying to convert all the other agencies to fit their bias. Besides all this, Reuters is French, and France has sided with the jihadists since Charles DeGaulle decided they would. When I want to see jihadist propaganda, I specifically go looking at Reuters photos (usually via CNN or Yahoo). AP and AFP also play ball with the local dictators, but not to the same level as Reuters. Man, either way, photoshopping photos is U. A. (Un-Authorized). I don't care what the bias is, liberal or warmongerish. Don't photoshop photos. Don't Premiere (or Ulead's Mediastudio) video. __________________ My little Silent Hunter 4 repository

08-07-06, 05:25 PM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,714 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Some additonal relections on the problem of manipulated pictures, and incompetent editors. http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...p-against.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-07-06, 08:30 AM	#3
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	We can start a "Dishonesty in Truth" annual award and make Reuters the first recpient. Make it a gold leafed roll of toilet paper.

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