Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

The New Voice of Ukraine
Ukrainian troops break through Russian defensive line near Bakhmut – Syrskyi


The New Voice of Ukraine
Mon, September 18, 2023 at 12:06 PM EDT


Ukrainian troops have broken through the Russian defensive line on the eastern front, which the enemy was trying to reinforce with all available reserves, Ukraine’s Military Media Center reported on its Telegram channel on Sept. 18, citing Ukrainian Ground Forces Commander, General Oleksandr Syrskyi.


The Russians are trying to resume offensive actions on the Kupyansk and Lyman directions, and are actively preparing for this, Syrskyi said.
Fierce fighting is taking place near Bakhmut, he added. The enemy is conducting numerous counterattacks from various directions in an attempt to regain lost ground, after Ukrainian forces liberated Andriyivka and Klishchiyivka, which are vital elements of the Russian defensive line from Bakhmut to Horlivka.
"As a result of the successful actions of our troops, we have broken through the enemy's defensive line, which they tried to close by throwing all available reserves into the battle," Syrskyi said.


Ukrainian forces have defeated and rendered completely combat ineffective some of the best-trained Russian units, including the 72nd Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade, the 31st and 83rd Separate Airborne Assault Brigades, in the Bakhmut front battles, he said.
Syrskyi visited the front line and thanked the defenders for Andriyivka and Klishchiyivka liberation and honored the soldiers for their courage and heroism, his Telegram channel says.


The Ukrainian military announced on Sept. 17 that Ukrainian forces had liberated the village of Klishchiyivka south of the Russian-occupied ruins of Bakhmut.
Ukraine’s Third Separate Assault Brigade has confirmed its liberation of Andriyivka in Donetsk Oblast, inflicting significant casualties on Russia’s 72nd Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade in the process, according to a press release on Sep. 15.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian...160600264.html

[mapuc]

^ I wanna believe it is true every word of it..It is from Ukraine, which mean an ounce of propaganda have been added.

Markus

[mapuc]

Markus

[Catfish]

How Putin ran out of options to defend Crimea,
and why taking it back by Ukraine will not lead to a nuclear war

"Russia is burning through some of the most experienced troops that they have remaining after the ground forces have been decimated by the earlier months of fighting."

Putin appears to have backed into a corner on defending Crimea as he is unable to respond to Ukrainian attacks on the peninsula says Ker Giles."

[mapuc]

I truly hope you're right Catfish, I fear though that Putler has something up his sleeves which he is gonna use when Ukraine are sending troops into Crimea.

This will of course be a while before this happens.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I truly hope you're right Catfish, I fear though that Putler has something up his sleeves which he is gonna use when Ukraine are sending troops into Crimea.

This will of course be a while before this happens.

Markus

Before Ukraine can retake Crimea it has to retake all the occupied south of Ukraine if they succeed in that do not think Putin will be long in office because he lost majority of his army there, do not think he can sell that at home. Putin has bet it all, has no cards in his sleeves any more there is no wunderwaffe going nuclear will not help him either by the way there are already Ukraine troops been in Crimea he lost vailible equipment there without a nuclear threat not even a bombing attack on Ukraine cities a nuclear use will also will not go unanswered do not think Putin and his crony's will risk the consequences for that.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Before Ukraine can retake Crimea it has to retake all the occupied south of Ukraine if they succeed in that do not think Putin will be long in office because he lost majority of his army there, do not think he can sell that at home. Putin has bet it all, has no cards in his sleeves any more there is no wunderwaffe going nuclear will not help him either by the way there are already Ukraine troops been in Crimea he lost vailible equipment there without a nuclear threat not even a bombing attack on Ukraine cities a nuclear use will also will not go unanswered do not think Putin and his crony's will risk the consequences for that.

You are talking about a rational thinking person-I do not know how his brain works when he know everything is lost and he is pushed real hard up in the corner and can get out without loosing face

I think most of us, does not know how he works psychologically.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

You are talking about a rational thinking person-I do not know how his brain works when he know everything is lost and he is pushed real hard up in the corner and can get out without loosing face

I think most of us, does not know how he works psychologically.

Markus

I am not talking about him alone, a dictator does not rule without the surrounding support, they allow him to be dictator. The dictator is always blamed for the crisis at hand. A dictator may enjoy the freedom that comes with absolute authority, but they are also bound to face the repercussions of it. There are many that would execute his orders if in this chain of command there is doubt it will mean the fall of the dictator. History has many examples that if a faction does not see the purpose to follow for what reason, it will try to get rid of the dictator.

[Jeff-Groves]

You have to remember Putin does not have a button that launches Nukes.
Just like Biden doesn't. It's up to the Chain of Command to follow the order to launch. Then the Crews in the launch sites to actually deploy.

[mapuc]

From what I know, you may be right, The question is:

Is there anyone in his surroundings that has the guts to stand up against him ?

For me it looks like his cabinet is nothing but puppets.

Markus

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You have to remember Putin does not have a button that launches Nukes.
Just like Biden doesn't. It's up to the Chain of Command to follow the order to launch. Then the Crews in the launch sites to actually deploy.

Yep you're right.

Only power the President has in such a case is the right to say Make it so.
Platapus once told me the sequence behind a nuke launch in a former US-Politic thread.

It was an organization consisting of three letters who gave the President some targets and it was them who could give the final order. Only right s/he has is saying Make it so.
If I remember correctly

Markus

[tonschk]

WEST FACES HUMILIATION IN UKRAINE

https://socialist.net/west-faces-hum...on-in-ukraine/

The catastrophic failure of the Ukrainian counter-offensive is provoking splits and divisions in the NATO alliance. Meanwhile, workers across the world are paying the price for this inter-imperialist conflict. The class struggle is set to intensify.

If the meeting of the Group of 20 (G20) major economies in India was intended as a show of unity against Russia, it succeeded in producing precisely the opposite result.



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[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by tonschk

WEST FACES HUMILIATION IN UKRAINE

https://socialist.net/west-faces-hum...on-in-ukraine/

The catastrophic failure of the Ukrainian counter-offensive is provoking splits and divisions in the NATO alliance. Meanwhile, workers across the world are paying the price for this inter-imperialist conflict. The class struggle is set to intensify.

If the meeting of the Group of 20 (G20) major economies in India was intended as a show of unity against Russia, it succeeded in producing precisely the opposite result.



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Dream on pal. By the way, good luck fixing that derelict, overgrown paperweight you call a Kilo class submarine, destroyed by the Ukraine in Crimea.

Nice job Russia. You managed to shoot down a Storm Shadow Missile with a submarine! The world's first. Only In Russia.

All is not lost, however. The Kilo Class Submarine can still dive. Unfortunately, it can only do it once and just keeps going, straight to the bottom. I think you should take a ride on it. By all means, give it a go.

[Commander Wallace]

This is for our aviation aficionado's. It's a Russian fighter on fire before crashing into a lake. It's purported to be a MiG-31 Foxhound.

This is an example of great engineering. The jet had just the right amount of fuel to take it to the crash site.

A Russian spokesman said “It was not a crash. It was an unscheduled air to water interface followed by rapid underwater disassembly”.

On the bright side, the Russian Navy gained a new aircraft.