Titanic firm submersible missing.

[Jimbuna]

[Aktungbby]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/new...te=1&p=2873195

Originally Posted by today's WSJ

Past travelers who climbed into the minivan-sized tube that is the Titan deep-sea submersible knew they might die.
Risk of death is mentioned at least three times on a waiver they signed before boarding. As they dived deep into the ocean, untethered to the surface, sunlight faded away. In pitch-black waters, luminescent creatures became visible through a small porthole. The bone-chilling cold bloomed on the Titan’s curved walls.
One comedy writer brought a pad and a pencil on a trip last summer. If the vessel failed, said Mike Reiss, he would write jokes from the bottom of the ocean as his “last gift to the world.”
Joseph Wortman, who went on a trip in 2021, said it was sobering to be inside the Titan, whose hatch was bolted shut from the outside.
“This is pretty extreme,” said Wortman, the 53-year-old chief executive of a heater manufacturer in the Detroit area. “If something goes wrong, there’s no real out. You can’t call 911. You have to figure it out on your own.” Past travelers on deep-sea submersible excursions like the one that has triggered an international rescue mission in the North Atlantic say the risks posed by the voyages were clear, but that the thrill of reaching such ocean depths made the trips alluring. They called the experience uncomfortable and unnerving—but also unique and exhilarating. Tourists pay $250,000 and are trained for the dive, which typically lasts several hours, according to OceanGate’s website. As of Wednesday morning, the Titan craft carrying five people on a voyage to see the Titanic shipwreck remained missing. The U.S. Coast Guard said Canadian aircraft had detected underwater noises in the search for a missing submersible, as the clock ticked down in the race to find the crew before their air supply runs out. The disappearance of the submersible, created and operated by a small Washington-based company called OceanGate Expeditions, has raised questions about its deep-sea missions. OceanGate faced complaints from within the industry, including from at least one former employee.
Wortman said the company’s customers have a common desire to explore. An experienced airplane pilot, Wortman has had numerous adventure-travel experiences, including flying to the edge of the earth’s atmosphere in a MiG-25 aircraft and riding with the Blue Angels flight demonstration squadron.
Wortman said the vessel descended for several hours. The crew listened to music as they sank, looking at luminous sea creatures outside the window. Wortman said he helped with communications, exchanging text messages with the crew supporting the operation at the ocean’s surface. The submersible reached the Titanic wreckage and approached the stern section. Wortman said it was exciting to become one of a small number of people in the world to have seen the shipwreck up close, though unsettling at times.
One of the first things he did upon reaching the surface, he said, was to call his family to tell them he had made it back safely.
Reiss, 63, took an expedition aboard the Titan last July. The writer for “The Simpsons” said the risk of fatality was top-of-mind the entire time. Reiss said he has been to 134 countries and has no children. In a worst-case scenario, he said, he could take solace in having lived a good life.
The waiver all passengers must sign mentions death three times on the first page, Reiss said. Another prior passenger, David Pogue, a CBS Sunday Morning correspondent who went on the Titan last year at the invitation of OceanGate, showed The Wall Street Journal part of the waiver he signed. It read in part: “This operation will be conducted inside an experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body,” and later: “Travel in and around the vehicle could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma, or death.”
Reiss said the Titan is about the size of a minivan without seats, but he never felt claustrophobic. To make the vessel tilt down, he said, all the passengers gathered at the front. To tilt up, he said, they gathered at the back. “It all sounds rinky-dink, but in fact it’s all very comforting how simple and basic it is,” he said.
The submersible was about 500 yards from the Titanic wreckage after its descent. The craft’s compass didn’t work, he said. The crew found the wreckage after more than 90 minutes, and only had about 20 or 30 minutes to explore, he said. Colin Taylor, 60, took an OceanGate expedition with his adult son last July. The retired private-equity-fund manager said that on the day the Titan deployed, he spent a few hours in safety briefings before loading into the vessel and diving into the deep.
“Increasingly the creatures get more and more sophisticated,” he said of the deep-sea swimmers outside the porthole, calling it an alien world.
Taylor said the trip was unlike anything he had done before. “It really was an incredible week, intellectually, scientifically, from an engineering standpoint, and from an adventure standpoint,” he said.
Pogue said the submersible has a rudimentary toilet consisting of a bag and a bottle, and very little food aboard. “You’re sitting on the floor with your back against a curved wall. There’s no heating or cooling…it’s very hot at the surface and very cold when you’re at the bottom,” said Pogue, whose voyage was abandoned at 37 feet because of a fault with the platform from which the submersible is launched. Pogue signed the waiver before boarding the craft but felt reassured by the company’s safety record. “It literally lists eight different ways you could be killed or permanently disabled,” he said, adding that OceanGate had never had an injury, let alone a loss of life.
“It’s par for the course in this industry,” he said. “This is the North Atlantic. This is part of the deal when you sign up.”

BOTTOM LINE Neal's probably right; it was a massive hull implosion-gone in a second...if that!

[Rockstar]

The difference between something like Deepsea Challengeer and Titan. One is manufactured to industry standards that maximize efforts to make the necessity of scientific exploration as safe as can be. The other is like the carnival coming to town whose efforts goes into maximizing profits.

[em2nought]

Debris field is never a term you want to hear in regard to your own vessel.

[Platapus]

It is very sad, but probably the best ending they could have had.


An implosion at that depth would be quick.



When you engage in risky behavior, sometimes the risks don't work out in your favor.


RIP

[Commander Wallace]

This is certainly not the outcome I was hoping for. Rockstar pretty much summed things up in post # 94. Deep sea diving like other risky endeavors is serious business and demands respect.

It seems Titanic has claimed 5 more lives more than 100 years after it was lost and had claimed more than 1500 people in 1912. God speed to all of them and rest in peace.

[Rockstar]

‘Titanic’ director James Cameron on the ‘catastrophic implosion’ of Titan submersible: “I’m struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field."

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Platapus

It is very sad, but probably the best ending they could have had.

An implosion at that depth would be quick.

The passengers very likely were dead before their brains had processed the information, so they never had the chance to notice, let alone understand that they were about to die.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

"OH SH.."

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

BOTTOM LINE Neal's probably right; it was a massive hull implosion-gone in a second...if that!

Being devoted ers, knowing the true nature of implosion is indispensible:

[Rockstar]

^^^ Sure, death occurs before the central nervous system can even register what is happening. Unless of course in the case with Oceangate Titan there is a real time hull monitoring system installed that may have warned them of their eminent demise seconds or even longer before implosion.

Hey Stockton what’s that beeping sound? <POOF>

[mapuc]

It is said that before a person dies his or her life goes through a revue.

Or maybe it came so quick it wasn't time for it.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It is said that before a person dies his or her life goes through a revue.

Or maybe it came so quick it wasn't time for it.

Markus

While no two NDEs are the same, there are characteristic features that are commonly observed in NDEs. These characteristics include a perception of seeing and hearing apart from the physical body, passing into or through a tunnel, encountering a mystical light, intense and generally positive emotions, a review of part or all of their prior life experiences, encountering deceased loved ones, and a choice to return to their earthly life.2

One person who was born blind describes what they saw.

I slowly breathed in the water and became unconscious. A beautiful lady dressed in bright white light pulled me out. The lady looked into my eyes asked me what I wanted. I was unable to think of anything until it occurred to me to travel around the lake. As I did so, I saw detail that I would not have seen in “real” life. I could go anywhere, even to the tops of trees, simply by my intending to go there. I was legally blind. For the first time I was able to see leaves on trees, bird’s feathers, bird’s eyes, details on telephone poles and what was in people’s back yards. I was seeing far better than 20/20 vision. 16

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/

[Moonlight]

Chemical substances old boy, its all the rage these days, has anyone come back from the dead?, no, and there's a bloody big reason for that, and its got nothing to do with angels or fairy bleeding godmothers either.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

^^^ Sure, death occurs before the central nervous system can even register what is happening. Unless of course in the case with Oceangate Titan there is a real time hull monitoring system installed that may have warned them of their eminent demise seconds or even longer before implosion.

Hey Stockton what’s that beeping sound? <POOF>

We'll have to wait for the Movie to get an answer.