Mass Shooting thread

[Commander Wallace]

I thought everyone might find this article of interest. Apparently, a robber entered O'Reilly's Auto Parts Store in Chicago and flashed a hang gun and demanded money from the register. Instead, the armed manager at the parts store shot and killed the would be robber.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/armed-sto...174835873.html

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I thought everyone might find this article of interest. Apparently, a robber entered O'Reilly's Auto Parts Store in Chicago and flashed a hang gun and demanded money from the register. Instead, the armed manager at the parts store shot and killed the would be robber.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/armed-sto...174835873.html

I don't know if it's good or bad-where a person can kill another just because s/he is waving with a gun and threating.

Here in Denmark and Sweden you are allowed to neutralize a criminal so he no longer is a threat to you..This doesn't mean you are allowed to kill him. Well this has to be last thing.

Those times it have happened-The criminal had been neutralized but not killed and the police came and arrested the criminal.

I guess the owner had to kill the robber,'cause there wasn't any other way.

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I don't know if it's good or bad-where a person can kill another just because s/he is waving with a gun and threating.

Here in Denmark and Sweden you are allowed to neutralize a criminal so he no longer is a threat to you..This doesn't mean you are allowed to kill him. Well this has to be last thing.

Those times it have happened-The criminal had been neutralized but not killed and the police came and arrested the criminal.

I guess the owner had to kill the robber,'cause there wasn't any other way.

Markus

Well, I'm sure this stupid individual trying to rob the store and brandishing a weapon wasn't collecting for the Red Cross unless it was a contribution for their blood bank. The standard was and remains, was the manager in fear for his life ? The robber took his chances and paid with his life. Case closed. The manager had a license to carry a concealed weapon and the weapon the would be robber used in this crime was recovered at the scene. The would be robber made a bad choice. That's not an attempt at being insensitive or short but just recognition that weapons in the hands of responsible individuals can in fact and do save lives and perhaps the lives of others.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I don't know if it's good or bad-where a person can kill another just because s/he is waving with a gun and threating.

Here in Denmark and Sweden you are allowed to neutralize a criminal so he no longer is a threat to you..This doesn't mean you are allowed to kill him. Well this has to be last thing.

Those times it have happened-The criminal had been neutralized but not killed and the police came and arrested the criminal.

I guess the owner had to kill the robber,'cause there wasn't any other way.

Markus

It's a bad thing (the rule of law is on hiatus) and the blame can be placed at the feet of "liberal policies", this kind of thing is what happens when you "defund" the police and have prosecutors that won't put criminals in jail. People realize that nobody is going to help them, so they take matters into their own hands. expect to see more of the same as crime rates rise, and prosecution rates fall.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by MaDef

It's a bad thing (the rule of law is on hiatus) and the blame can be placed at the feet of "liberal policies", this kind of thing is what happens when you "defund" the police and have prosecutors that won't put criminals in jail. People realize that nobody is going to help them, so they take matters into their own hands. expect to see more of the same as crime rates rise, and prosecution rates fall.

I believe precedent was established by the U.S. Supreme Court which says cops do not have a duty to protect you, or anyone.

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I believe precedent was established by the U.S. Supreme Court which says cops do not have a duty to protect you, or anyone.

That is correct. Regardless of what it says on the sides of LAPD cruisers the Cops exist only to apprehend those who have violated the laws of the state.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by August

That is correct. Regardless of what it says on the sides of LAPD cruisers the Cops exist only to apprehend those who have violated the laws of the state.

Well, that in a sense is protecting and serving.

Originally Posted by Gorpet

Well here in Florida, We will now be able to carry right on our legs open. Just like Gunsmoke ole Matt Dillon.Hell ya.

Sure, you go right ahead and open carry, please, I love having you as the first target when a criminal decides to rob the IHOP we having breakfast in.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Sure, you go right ahead and open carry, please, I love having you as the first target when a criminal decides to rob the IHOP we having breakfast in.

I find that attitude a bit counter-intuitive, I can't speak to other State's laws, but in Utah, open carry just means that you can carry a weapon in public (visible or concealed) without needing a permit. They still have a concealed carry permit system, but that is for the benefit of Reciprocity Laws for when Utah citizens travel to other states and wish to carry a weapon. So if I'm a bad guy robbing your Ihop, and see 1 or 2 pistols on some ones hip, I have to wonder how many are carrying pistols that I can't see.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Well, that in a sense is protecting and serving.



Sure, you go right ahead and open carry, please, I love having you as the first target when a criminal decides to rob the IHOP we having breakfast in.

Well,If i knew i might be out gunned at the IHOP, I would look for easer pickins. Like somebody lookin to get some cash at the ATM. Possibly a Texan who just got his room key and has a 2 hands full of luggage. Ya baby your mine. Then again i might be the guy who saves your life. Look ya have to look around see what is happening in your community what is going on in the Village you live in.And if you want to travel to and thru another village you better know. As a over the road trucker you know this. I don't see why Florida's new law would bother you. Anyway why we have stand your ground laws in Florida is because if the news media would be honest about crime they would be called RACIST. The reason for this bill is Law enforcement is undergoing a new evolution and our Governor is allowing the citizen to use their common sense to protect themselves. If you don't get what i'm saying spend a night in Brownsville Texas.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I believe precedent was established by the U.S. Supreme Court which says cops do not have a duty to protect you, or anyone.

I didn't say that, or even intimate that idea. The Supreme court has ruled on various occasions that the police have no constitutional mandate to protect individuals (except when they are in custody). However it is clear that they are in place to protect society at large, and they do this in the following manner:

The duties of the police are to deter crimes through visible patrols, investigate crimes, collect evidence and to arrest those who commit crimes and aid in the prosecution of those persons.

Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see the correlation between fewer police + fewer prosecutions = more crime & criminals. and that results in more people fed up with the job the criminal justice system is doing.

You cant remove the fence around your cornfield and expect the cattle in the next pasture to stay out of it.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by MaDef

I didn't say that, or even intimate that idea. The Supreme court has ruled on various occasions that the police have no constitutional mandate to protect individuals (except when they are in custody). However it is clear that they are in place to protect society at large, and they do this in the following manner:

The duties of the police are to deter crimes through visible patrols, investigate crimes, collect evidence and to arrest those who commit crimes and aid in the prosecution of those persons.

Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see the correlation between fewer police + fewer prosecutions = more crime & criminals. and that results in more people fed up with the job the criminal justice system is doing.

You cant remove the fence around your cornfield and expect the cattle in the next pasture to stay out of it.

Oh I understand the correlation completely. I only mentioned it because I think it’s one more reason for law abiding citizens to own and carry a firearm.

[August]

Besides when seconds count cops are minutes away (at best).