[Politics] Especially US opinions I ask for

Yahoshua · 07-26-06, 08:59 PM

And olmert should have the label "Village Idiot" on his forehead.

And I agree that a total knockout of Hizbullah is probably not within Israels' means at this point and time, but they can severely set-back their plans and buy a little more time. Time for what? I have no idea.

August · 07-26-06, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

And olmert should have the label "Village Idiot" on his forehead.

And I agree that a total knockout of Hizbullah is probably not within Israels' means at this point and time, but they can severely set-back their plans and buy a little more time. Time for what? I have no idea.

Time to survive a little longer of course. Is there any doubt thats what really drives Israels actions?

Yahoshua · 07-26-06, 10:51 PM

When it's Olmert in the pilots' seat I have no idea what is going to happen next. Sharon was predictable, but I'm not familiar with this guy.

Iceman · 07-27-06, 02:55 AM

What me and the wife were wondering was what the heck are our.."Americas"...politicians thinking when then pledged like 35 million in humanitarian aid to Lebanon when it is our ally doing the attacking, and not pledge that kinda aid the the 2800 familes of Iraq/Afgan soldiers who lost there lives and the 8000 who are serverely wounded and 18000 overall?WTF are they thinking....isn't it the Arab countries themselves who are swimming in american money from oil...I'm soory but let them send aid to Lebanon if anything send the 35 million to Isreal....

I know it is to try to show "Face" in that America really does care about the little guy but at this point in time I think this is really folly on the part of American politicians...do we even care what anyone thinks after we took our stand in Afghan and Iraq?

I did not even read the article Skybird but I think you know how a majority of American Christians think....they will side with Israel without question.As do I for years I have seen the actions of them and they're neighbors and it is the actions what matter....

Israel did'nt go into Leb and snatch anyone and if that deed is what broke the camels back to them then so be it...they took a stand and I respect it...and I know LOTS of people here do to.

Skybird · 07-27-06, 05:25 AM

So all you guys seem to disagree that a failure of the Israeli operation would result in a lowering of American faith in it's stationary aircraftcarrier, as it is sometimes called? That is the question the article is about: in how far would American ME policy change, if Israel cannot realize it's military targets in this operation.

August · 07-27-06, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

So all you guys seem to disagree that a failure of the Israeli operation would result in a lowering of American faith in it's stationary aircraftcarrier, as it is sometimes called? That is the question the article is about: in how far would American ME policy change, if Israel cannot realize it's military targets in this operation.

Who calls Israel a "stationary aircraft carrier"? I've never ever heard it termed that, as a matter of fact I believe the last time there were US troops stationed in that nation was the Patriot batteries during Desert Storm.

Perhaps you're confusing it with WW2 England? AFAIK that's the only place the term was used...

Skybird · 07-27-06, 07:45 AM

Ah, don'T take it word by word, it is a metaphor only! but it is not rarely used over here. Must have red it repeatedly in newspapers, books, and heared it on TV as well over the years.

SUBMAN1 · 07-27-06, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

What me and the wife were wondering was what the heck are our.."Americas"...politicians thinking when then pledged like 35 million in humanitarian aid to Lebanon when it is our ally doing the attacking, and not pledge that kinda aid the the 2800 familes of Iraq/Afgan soldiers who lost there lives and the 8000 who are serverely wounded and 18000 overall?WTF are they thinking....isn't it the Arab countries themselves who are swimming in american money from oil...I'm soory but let them send aid to Lebanon if anything send the 35 million to Isreal....

I know it is to try to show "Face" in that America really does care about the little guy but at this point in time I think this is really folly on the part of American politicians...do we even care what anyone thinks after we took our stand in Afghan and Iraq?

I did not even read the article Skybird but I think you know how a majority of American Christians think....they will side with Israel without question.As do I for years I have seen the actions of them and they're neighbors and it is the actions what matter....

Israel did'nt go into Leb and snatch anyone and if that deed is what broke the camels back to them then so be it...they took a stand and I respect it...and I know LOTS of people here do to.

The 35 mil is shut up money so that Isreal can keep doing what it needs to do.

Iceman · 07-28-06, 12:40 AM

Doh! Subman lol...

...To the aircraft carrier comment Skybird I can see where that comes from, but again America as I see it ...from the perspective of an American living here... is as always...50/50...50 percent are faithful and don't sweat the small stuff and realize things take time and sacrifice and faith ,hope and prayer....50 percent are like weeds blowing in the wind....they are all for the wars and fights when the wind is blowing just right...

Israel will always be under the wing of America probably for 2 main reasons....one from the Biblical standpoint and the other from the stationary aircraft carrier standpoint.

Dats 2 very very strong reasons.

07-26-06, 08:59 PM	#1
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	And olmert should have the label "Village Idiot" on his forehead. And I agree that a total knockout of Hizbullah is probably not within Israels' means at this point and time, but they can severely set-back their plans and buy a little more time. Time for what? I have no idea. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

07-26-06, 10:51 PM	#3
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When it's Olmert in the pilots' seat I have no idea what is going to happen next. Sharon was predictable, but I'm not familiar with this guy. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

07-27-06, 05:25 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,672 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	So all you guys seem to disagree that a failure of the Israeli operation would result in a lowering of American faith in it's stationary aircraftcarrier, as it is sometimes called? That is the question the article is about: in how far would American ME policy change, if Israel cannot realize it's military targets in this operation. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-27-06, 07:45 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,672 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ah, don'T take it word by word, it is a metaphor only! but it is not rarely used over here. Must have red it repeatedly in newspapers, books, and heared it on TV as well over the years. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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07-27-06, 02:55 AM	#4
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What me and the wife were wondering was what the heck are our.."Americas"...politicians thinking when then pledged like 35 million in humanitarian aid to Lebanon when it is our ally doing the attacking, and not pledge that kinda aid the the 2800 familes of Iraq/Afgan soldiers who lost there lives and the 8000 who are serverely wounded and 18000 overall?WTF are they thinking....isn't it the Arab countries themselves who are swimming in american money from oil...I'm soory but let them send aid to Lebanon if anything send the 35 million to Isreal.... I know it is to try to show "Face" in that America really does care about the little guy but at this point in time I think this is really folly on the part of American politicians...do we even care what anyone thinks after we took our stand in Afghan and Iraq? I did not even read the article Skybird but I think you know how a majority of American Christians think....they will side with Israel without question.As do I for years I have seen the actions of them and they're neighbors and it is the actions what matter.... Israel did'nt go into Leb and snatch anyone and if that deed is what broke the camels back to them then so be it...they took a stand and I respect it...and I know LOTS of people here do to.

07-28-06, 12:40 AM	#9
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Doh! Subman lol... ...To the aircraft carrier comment Skybird I can see where that comes from, but again America as I see it ...from the perspective of an American living here... is as always...50/50...50 percent are faithful and don't sweat the small stuff and realize things take time and sacrifice and faith ,hope and prayer....50 percent are like weeds blowing in the wind....they are all for the wars and fights when the wind is blowing just right... Israel will always be under the wing of America probably for 2 main reasons....one from the Biblical standpoint and the other from the stationary aircraft carrier standpoint. Dats 2 very very strong reasons.