Dangerous Sequence Of Events

Kapitan · 07-21-06, 02:08 PM

The use of nuclear weapons on a country that doesnt have nuclear weapons is unfair and unjust

Skybird · 07-21-06, 03:53 PM

Eevry kind of war is always and necessarily unfair and unjust, kapitan. not only nuclear ones - every kind of war causes innocent victims. That's why they call it "war". Fairness and justice are categories by which war cannot be defined.

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 07-21-06, 03:54 PM

it's worse than that... it's suicide...

the fallout has no political affiliation... last time i heard...

this next war will be quite fair... everyone will die...

--Mike

scandium · 07-21-06, 05:41 PM

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Einstein

P_Funk · 07-21-06, 05:46 PM

My dad was saying a week ago that he thinks theres a possibility that this could lead to the use of nuclear arms. Israel is out of control. They have lost all perspective. If they are going to bomb all of Lebannon to the ground because of 2 POWs what would happen if Israel was really threatened? And should Syria and Iran decide to weigh in much more heavily the US military, drowning in the Iraqi quick sand, wont beable to help Israel. Nukes are a possibility. There is a very strong apocalyptic streak in contemporary right wing of the US admin (all them neo-cons and such) and Israel is a theocratic nation (it is the sate embodiment of Judaism) so if they feel it is threatened they will use any and all force to save their home and destroy the evil dooers.

PeriscopeDepth · 07-21-06, 05:49 PM

Skybird's quite right. At best, war is an act of assasination where the other guy has no chance. When war is "fair", it's a craps shoot who dies.

PD

STEED · 07-21-06, 05:51 PM

The first casualty of war is the innocent.

P_Funk · 07-21-06, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Skybird's quite right. At best, war is an act of assasination where the other guy has no chance. When war is "fair", it's a craps shoot who dies.

PD

I posted in the SH3 forums a reply where I explained a theory of the origins of warfare as a means for human survival. War is inherently unfair because it was a response to scarcity which had unfairly distributed resources in such a way that all of the human beings living in tribes could not survive. So war is not just unfair, it is a manifestation of human frustration over his unfair lot. Though it has grown beyond that and become a cultural abhorration. Human culture is now very dysfunctional. We need a cosmic therapist. War means death, war means taking from someone that which is not yours,war is unfairness manifest. War cannot lead to justice.

mapuc · 07-21-06, 06:15 PM

If Isreal is gonna drop a nuke, isn't that opening the pandoras box?

Markus

Yahoshua · 07-21-06, 06:23 PM

Some wars are just, and some are unjust......but by no means is war something truly desired except by the power-hungry, the insane, or those naieve (sp?).

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better persons than himself." - John Stuart Mills

At what point would the United states begin waging war against Al-Qaeda were they making constant attacks from across the Mexican border? 10 lives? 40? Or maybe a thousand, or two thousand? What if we did nothing? What if Israel did nothing? But if I recall, that's exactly what the Jews did the first time they were targeted by madmen ben on their extermination. The Jews didn't fight back. And so they died.

When considering the population comparison of Israel and the United States in the terms of how many people are being killed by terrorist attacks and the impact that it is making, the cost of doing nothing......is simply staggering.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_basics.php

http://philip.greenspun.com/politics/israel/

http://www.israel.org/MFA/Terrorism-...Violence+a.htm

http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html

http://www.terrorism-victims.org/ter...html#terrorism

http://www.terrorism-victims.org/ter...n-america.html

https://daveblog.wordpress.com/2006/...tionate-force/

I couldn't find the site that had the statistics of population loss in comparison with the U.S. and Israel, but I'll get it up sooner or later.

07-21-06, 02:08 PM	#1
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	The use of nuclear weapons on a country that doesnt have nuclear weapons is unfair and unjust __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-21-06, 03:53 PM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,653 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Eevry kind of war is always and necessarily unfair and unjust, kapitan. not only nuclear ones - every kind of war causes innocent victims. That's why they call it "war". Fairness and justice are categories by which war cannot be defined. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-21-06, 05:41 PM	#4
scandium Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Einstein __________________ What can you do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy? -- George Orwell

07-21-06, 05:46 PM	#5
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	My dad was saying a week ago that he thinks theres a possibility that this could lead to the use of nuclear arms. Israel is out of control. They have lost all perspective. If they are going to bomb all of Lebannon to the ground because of 2 POWs what would happen if Israel was really threatened? And should Syria and Iran decide to weigh in much more heavily the US military, drowning in the Iraqi quick sand, wont beable to help Israel. Nukes are a possibility. There is a very strong apocalyptic streak in contemporary right wing of the US admin (all them neo-cons and such) and Israel is a theocratic nation (it is the sate embodiment of Judaism) so if they feel it is threatened they will use any and all force to save their home and destroy the evil dooers. __________________ Last edited by P_Funk; 07-21-06 at 05:48 PM.

07-21-06, 05:51 PM	#7
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The first casualty of war is the innocent. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

07-21-06, 03:54 PM	#3
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	it's worse than that... it's suicide... the fallout has no political affiliation... last time i heard... this next war will be quite fair... everyone will die... --Mike

07-21-06, 05:49 PM	#6
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Skybird's quite right. At best, war is an act of assasination where the other guy has no chance. When war is "fair", it's a craps shoot who dies. PD

07-21-06, 06:15 PM	#9
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,541 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	If Isreal is gonna drop a nuke, isn't that opening the pandoras box? Markus

07-21-06, 06:23 PM	#10
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Some wars are just, and some are unjust......but by no means is war something truly desired except by the power-hungry, the insane, or those naieve (sp?). "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better persons than himself." - John Stuart Mills At what point would the United states begin waging war against Al-Qaeda were they making constant attacks from across the Mexican border? 10 lives? 40? Or maybe a thousand, or two thousand? What if we did nothing? What if Israel did nothing? But if I recall, that's exactly what the Jews did the first time they were targeted by madmen ben on their extermination. The Jews didn't fight back. And so they died. When considering the population comparison of Israel and the United States in the terms of how many people are being killed by terrorist attacks and the impact that it is making, the cost of doing nothing......is simply staggering. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_basics.php http://philip.greenspun.com/politics/israel/ http://www.israel.org/MFA/Terrorism-...Violence+a.htm http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html http://www.terrorism-victims.org/ter...html#terrorism http://www.terrorism-victims.org/ter...n-america.html https://daveblog.wordpress.com/2006/...tionate-force/ I couldn't find the site that had the statistics of population loss in comparison with the U.S. and Israel, but I'll get it up sooner or later. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua Last edited by Yahoshua; 07-21-06 at 06:35 PM.

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