where does consciousness begin ?

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I remember an interesting thing that happened when my Niece was about ½-1 year old.

I was holding her and showed her the mirror-Look I said that's you.
My little sister replied..She hasn't developed her consciousness yet
When she said this I started to study my niece face expression when see looked at the mirror and I didn't see any changes.

My conclusion after having studied her with the mirror is:
It does not exclude that she does not have a consciousness
Even though she does not know what she see in the mirror.

Markus

Agree, Just because she didn’t react doesn’t mean she hasn’t developed consciousness. sense data can be confirmed by an observer (your niece) without necessarily implying understanding.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Agree, Just because she didn’t react doesn’t mean she hasn’t developed consciousness. sense data can be confirmed by an observer (your niece) without necessarily implying understanding.

Development psychology covers the whole human lifespan, so from childhood to high age: chnages in perosnality,. cogntive capacity and so forth. Psychological research on the very young ones and babies has - since decades - quite established data on the development phases of babies and little kids, both on the sequence and the average time marks at which what happens. I gave a very brief overview, and not a complete one (its almiost 30 years I dealt with that...). That is agreed common academical knowedge today. Since half a century. On babies, its not just theory, but plenty of experimental and observational data, like the Rouge Test I mentioned.

[mapuc]

^ I left something out of our discussion my Little sister and I had then.

- Are you sure that she doesn't know what she see in the mirror I asked

-Yes expert who know more about consciousness say they develop this after their 2nd year or so. My sister said to me.

I replied
- As you may know, I remember all the way back to my own birth(I'm not kidding you) And remember what I was thinking when I saw myself in the mirror -Who's that ? I even remember thinking Is that another place/parallel world ?

As I said does this mean that we develop a consciousness earlier than expert says we do. or is thinking not the same as having a consciousness-E.g I saw myself but I did not recognize it was me.

Markus

[Skybird]

Your neural wiring or your neurotransmitter homeostasis may be different, Markus, you repeatedly said you are medium Asperger. I dont know this state especially well, but I could imagine that its the case. You tick a bit different for that reason, your volume slider for your "mike" is more to the "up" position, where we others get moderate perception intensity, you already may be close to hurting overload intensity - while other things might be processed faster, different or more comprehensive by you than most of us can or would. If itsd true what you say abotu your earl ychildhood memories, than that is very unsual and not representative for the norm of "normal".



Note I say "different", not "better" or "worse". I cannot compare these two state of kinds, since I know only one: mine.



I can only repeat, development psychology for the young has pretty established models and data on the development phases of babies and young kids. Since long time. I never was interested in youth psychology, but had to run basic courses in it as part of the main curriculum, and found it to be one of the best described and researched fields in psychology.

[mapuc]

Thank you Skybird for your comment.

As I wrote is thinking the same as consciousness ?
I even remember when I was baptist and what I was thinking-Grow hair through into the nose-My uncle(my mom told me that when I told her about this memories I had) I remember him saying Shall i hold him while you take place in the car and i saw he had black hair and when I looked up say that he had hair inside his nose and here I remember thinking grow hair through the nose.

Then I didn't knew it was called a nose. I was just amazed that hair grew through down to the nose.

I'm not normal-Having huge difficulty in remember what happened 5 sec ago.

Markus

[Platapus]