"Wild Boar Barbecue for Mr. & Mrs. Bush"

bradclark1 · 07-12-06, 07:36 PM

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Incorrect - He represents the US of A, and if you hate him, you hate us. Period.
-S

Bull. I intensley dislike this president, period. Don't even say I hate my country.

bradclark1 · 07-12-06, 07:48 PM

Theodore Roosevelt

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

Subnuts · 07-12-06, 08:36 PM

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Theodore Roosevelt

Commie!

bradclark1 · 07-12-06, 09:09 PM

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Europeans in particular seem, at least from this side of the pond, to be the exact opposite. You have opinions, strong opinions, on nearly everything we do. This tends to flabbergast us! You're always comparing yourselves to us in all kinds of ways from driver expertise to standards of living to sports, even our politics. Because of this you are often seen, as international busy bodies akin an neighbor poking his nose into our family business uninvited.

It might have to do with the fact that we stick our noses in everyone else's business and as such we affect their lives as well as ours.
The countries of europe are not large in size and have neighbors on all sides with traffic to and from country to country so therefore your neighbors politics/economics etc. affect you.
Toss a stone into a pond and it causes ripples.
The average American on the other hand does'nt even know where Scotland is on the map let alone France etc. Most Americans don't even know where our states are located on a map. We are a self centered and ignorant people as you said. You didn't say those exact words but that is what you are saying, and proudly at that.

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But yes America is still the greatest country in the world, but we do have our problems.

August · 07-12-06, 09:35 PM

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It might have to do with the fact that we stick our noses in everyone else's business and as such we affect their lives as well as ours.
The countries of europe are not large in size and have neighbors on all sides with traffic to and from country to country so therefore your neighbors politics/economics etc. affect you.
Toss a stone into a pond and it causes ripples.
The average American on the other hand does'nt even know where Scotland is on the map let alone France etc. Most Americans don't even know where our states are located on a map. We are a self centered and ignorant people as you said. You didn't say those exact words but that is what you are saying, and proudly at that.

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But yes America is still the greatest country in the world, but we do have our problems.

You get no argument about the downsides of playing world cop from me, I'm pretty much a national isolationist but what you call self centered and ignorant i call the common courtesy of minding ones own business. In any case as i said such ignorance in this 21st century with it's mass communications and nearlyinstantaneous travel isn't probably the smart choice either.

And yes, we do have our problems but America is still the greatest country in the world. That's only a slightly differerent version of your edit but, I think a significant one. Glass half empty/half full argument.

bradclark1 · 07-12-06, 09:53 PM

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I'm pretty much a national isolationist

Yeah, I am too. Tell you what! You run for president on that ticket and I'll vote for you.
As far as our ignorance I blame on our education system. It teaches nothing of world history or geography, national nor international.

August · 07-12-06, 10:53 PM

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I'm pretty much a national isolationist

Yeah, I am too. Tell you what! You run for president on that ticket and I'll vote for you.
As far as our ignorance I blame on our education system. It teaches nothing of world history or geography, national nor international.

Having been an adult ed teacher for nearly 4 years now i'm beginning to wonder if our educational system teaches anything at all. We didn't write as badly or know so little of math, geography, science or history when we were young, did we?

As for running for President, i'll have to humbly decline the nomination. I don't think i could stay as calm as Bush can if someone called me to "teh hitlerz". Eventually i'd act like an Australian legislator and punch somebody out and that just wouldn't do.

The Avon Lady · 07-12-06, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

Theodore Roosevelt

Commie!

Bully! Bully!

Onkel Neal · 07-13-06, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

Theodore Roosevelt

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149

May 7, 1918

I can't argue with that

Skybird · 07-13-06, 03:54 AM

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Theodore Roosevelt

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149

May 7, 1918

I can't argue with that

Neither can I.

Dan D · 07-13-06, 03:13 PM

They have the pig! The pig-hunt was successful:

"The president said that he is looking forward to the pig."
(Spiegel online)

Skybird · 07-13-06, 05:25 PM

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bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Theodore Roosevelt "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." "Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149 May 7, 1918 Last edited by bradclark1; 07-12-06 at 07:51 PM.

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Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They have the pig! The pig-hunt was successful: "The president said that he is looking forward to the pig." (Spiegel online)