Will Spotify Dump Rogan?

[u crank]

Not a chance.

[Jimbuna]

Can't see it happening myself.

[Catfish]

I know nothing about this 'Rogan' cult and frankly, i do not care.
I know a bit about Neil Young though.

[mapuc]

As a person who love free speech I do not like when some are restricted in what they are allowed to say.

Let them speak freely - Let it be up to the listerne to believe or reject what has been said to the audience.

Markus

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

As a person who love free speech I do not like when some are restricted in what they are allowed to say.

Let them speak freely - Let it be up to the listerne to believe or reject what has been said to the audience.

Markus

There are practical limitations to 'free speech' in a society that looks out for the well-being of its populace. Undermining medical expertise during a pandemic is a behavior that that undermines a culture of safety and wrongly (maybe even criminally) so.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Arlo

There are practical limitations to 'free speech' in a society that looks out for the well-being of its populace. Undermining medical expertise during a pandemic is a behavior that that undermines a culture of safety and wrongly (maybe even criminally) so.

When I mean free speech I do not mean free to call another person ugly thing.
Then I personally don't like a comment or similar with ugly words.

I've meet people who reject certain historical things-It's their right to have this opinion. I on the other hand can NOT support this standpoint.
(Well they could not be my friends either)

Markus

[Catfish]

^ Ok so "the Holocaust was a lie and propaganda, just to paint Hitler in an unfavourable light".
Just an opinion, you know? Why not spread it everywhere to get more Google clicks, it is my right.
What if some idiot tells that, what if a president tells that. Both have their opinions.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

When I mean free speech I do not mean free to call another person ugly thing.

Methinks you misunderstand what 'undermine' means.

[Sean C]

Originally Posted by mapuc

As a person who love free speech I do not like when some are restricted in what they are allowed to say.

Let them speak freely - Let it be up to the listerne to believe or reject what has been said to the audience.

Markus

I agree 100%. I was reading an article earlier which bemoaned Spotify's decision, saying something to the effect of potential damage caused by misinformation. I get that ... really, I do. But when faced with the alternative: potentially setting a precedent which could damage our right to free speech, I think Spotify's choice was the correct one.

Having written that, I also feel that a privately owned company should be allowed to make its own choices without outside interference when it comes to how they run their business. (Illegal activity excluded, of course.) Let's be real: we're talking about a music service, not global political policy.

It saddens me to see here in these forums the now common practice of taking everything to extremes. I mean ... comparing someone's skepticism of the 'official' narrative concerning this virus to holocaust deniers? REALLY?! Apparently Godwin's Law must be a fact.

OTOH, I am heartened to see an equal amount of posts from a different point of view. I especially like the comments from u crank and Buddahaid concerning coexistence and Neil's own right to free speech.

Cheers, friends!

[Arlo]

With all the caterwauling about free speech from some, I thought I'd add:

[Buddahaid]

The rise of adolescent banned book clubs proving the banning simply highlights interest in a free society.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Sean C

[...] I was reading an article earlier which bemoaned Spotify's decision, saying something to the effect of potential damage caused by misinformation. I get that ... really, I do. But when faced with the alternative: potentially setting a precedent which could damage our right to free speech, I think Spotify's choice was the correct one. [...]

I guess Spotify's decision was based on with whom they make more money, but it was their free private company decision, as it was Young's. Has an artist the right not to let his works be published by someone he does not like?
B.t.w. https://open.spotify.com/search/Neil%20Young

It saddens me to see here in these forums the now common practice of taking everything to extremes. I mean ... comparing someone's skepticism of the 'official' narrative concerning this virus to holocaust deniers? REALLY?! Apparently Godwin's Law must be a fact.

But this is exactly the thing, those extremes, not only since 2016. Rockstar calls people who are pro-mandate (when it comes to vaccines) "mandate nazis". I guess the real Nazis would be a bit underwhelmed to see this being compared.
I personally think that comparing a temporary(!) law to get rid of a plague as somehow rational, while comparing this to wear a yellow star patch (as Taylor Greene does) is idiotic.

But seriously: do you stop tolerating others expressing their opinion when this harms others, or do you never do this because 'free speech'? Do you take action? What if someone calls for harming others because of 'his opinion', if he has an influential media presence? Thus my intentional exagerration with dictators expressing their opinion, before they become dictators.
Rogan has the media presence of a statesman, should he show some responsibility or does the number of clicks justify anything? Can we imply that everyone has enough common sense?


But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.

Exactly. That is true and played out every day.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I guess Spotify's decision was based on with whom they make more money, but it was their free private company decision, as it was Young's. Has an artist the right not to let his works be published by someone he does not like?
B.t.w. https://open.spotify.com/search/Neil%20Young
But this is exactly the thing, those extremes, not only since 2016. Rockstar calls people who are pro-mandate (when it comes to vaccines) "mandate nazis". I guess the real Nazis would be a bit underwhelmed to see this being compared.
I personally think that comparing a temporary(!) law to get rid of a plague as somehow rational, while comparing this to wear a yellow star patch (as Taylor Greene does) is idiotic.

But seriously: do you stop tolerating others expressing their opinion when this harms others, or do you never do this because 'free speech'? Do you take action? What if someone calls for harming others because of 'his opinion', if he has an influential media presence? Thus my intentional exagerration with dictators expressing their opinion, before they become dictators.
Rogan has the media presence of a statesman, should he show some responsibility or does the number of clicks justify anything? Can we imply that everyone has enough common sense?


But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.

Extreme like making people submit to unwanted medical procedure? I don’t think I’m extreme. I know you are. I got vaxxed, I recommend you do get vaxxed. What I do not agree with are mandate Nazis carrying out experiments on people who don’t want too be injected with something they know nothing about. Worse yet were the loudest of all the mandate Nazis, hypocrites, and political class not abiding in their own rules.

You have been wrong and are still wrong in every way imaginable if you STILL believe that vaccine could eradicate that virus, prevent you from catching it or prevent you from spreading it. Wake up it’s not like the plague, it’s not a seat belt, it’s not like the measles and it’s not like polio, It’s over, the virus, the pandemic, the fear and panic was all for nought it has all mutated into a big nothing burger. And not one of the mandate Nazis had anything to do with it.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Catfish

But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.

I once read an excellent article on Confirmation Bias. It was well thought out, but it did not tell me anything I did not already know.