[WIP] Almagest. Strict Import for SH5.

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Originally Posted by Mister_M

Couldn't be the problem coming from the fact that sub-objects (composing the final exported "diffuse object") are combined in a different order than in the "AO object" ?

Possible, but that's not the main suspect in my list of possible culprits.

What for sure can mess up the order of sub-objects (and faces) is material assignation. The main model and the AO model should have materials with similar naming (Wings3D sorts them in alphabetical order) assigned to corresponding faces. If, for example, a group of faces in the main model is given a material whose name is let's say 'wood', the equivalent faces in the AO/UV2 object should be given a material named 'wood_AO', 'wood_2', or something similar.

Originally Posted by Mister_M

If your excel sheet can solve the problem, let's try it. Just explain to me how this works.

Yes, it can. As I said, by using the output of my spreadsheet we can create an AO/UV2 obj file which is the exact copy of the main obj file, exception made for the values of texture coordinates.

Before I upload it, I need to be sure that it has enough rows for processing your model. Can you tell me the number of f and vt lines in the obj files you are processing? You can easily count them by pasting their content in an empty Excel document and by using the data filtering options or the COUNTIF function.

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I'll have to refresh my memory on how the TMAPs actually work since it's been so long since it had to be done by hex editing. (Pre 2007!)
BUT! Only faces and texture coords are saved to the TMAP sections if I am recalling correctly.

Thank you for your inputs Jeff!

Does that mean that faces and texture coordinates can be in a different order in the secondary map channel than in the primary one?

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I actually still have a program from 'back in the day' that exports and imports the different TMAP channels. So one could change or add just a TMAP and not have to re-import the complete obj like S3D does.

in future this tool might come in handy

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by gap

Can you tell me the number of f and vt lines in the obj files you are processing?

Hull1.obj :
2018 f
868 vt

Hull1-uv2.obj :
2018 f
2729 vt

It already seems problematic...

[QUOTE=Jeff-Groves;2788565]Well that was easy.
I compared the main obj and the AO obj in 010.
Your vertices do not match between the Main Hull and AO Hull.

Ah ! You replied while I was writting this...

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

So basically S3D IS importing garbage you created.

Sorry, you mean : garbage that Wings3D created...

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

That is the flaw AND the opening in S3D that I am working to fix!

You are trying to fix garbage created by Wings3D when exporting ?

[Jeff-Groves]

Well. In the dat file format you CAN HAVE different counts on that information!
But the VERTS MUST BE EXACTLY THE SAME!

I'd suspect Wings re-ordered the Verts placement in the exported obj file thus faces and textures are screwed.

And You are the one that used Wings. It didn't to it by itself!
LOL!

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Well. In the dat file format you CAN HAVE different counts on that information!
But the VERTS MUST BE EXACTLY THE SAME!

I'd suspect Wings re-ordered the Verts placement in the exported obj file thus faces and textures are screwed.

And You are the one that used Wings. It didn't to it by itself!
LOL!

I don't create garbage by myself...

[Jeff-Groves]

Just playing with you Mate.


It is strange to many that somethings do not work as expected with programs like S3D or TDW's program for SH5.

Both missed things and based their codes on false assumptions.
Sometimes that was a Ego thing on their parts to NOT listen to suggestions.
Sometimes it was a lack of understanding EXACTLY how the import target is constructed!

S3D used ALOT of information from the Grey Wolves in it's construction.
TDW's program aslo credits a Grey Wolf as soon as you open it!
(Guess WHO privateer is!)

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Just playing with you Mate.

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Guess WHO privateer is!

YOU

 

Sorry...

[Jeff-Groves]

I may be the LAST Wizard left here at SubSim.


I look at the files in a way that others do not.
With nothing but 010 Hex editor? I opened and changed the Bunker so one can walk all around!

I'm probably the ONLY one left active that can change things and create a better future for other Modders.
I am in debt to the ones that taught me.